All I Do Is Vin Vin Vin - The Vinicius Jr. Thread

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  1. 4x4s

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    Sure, because such an event can really only happen when you're not playing. During the season it's wake up, pray for an hour, train, and go to bed early.

    Either way, it doesn't change my view of the world or yours, so i don't have a problem with somebody admiring it. I just have my own opinion. Seeing the kind of money this event cost (starting at booking the venue), i can't help but smile a bit at the whole "this is great for the world" approach.


    When Barca played with a UNICEF sponsor that they paid money to, this place found every single angle to criticize them for it, calling it a "visual gateway to actual sponsorship", but with Vini he's practically simply pure hearted.
     
  2. J-Mezzy

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    It’s not necessarily admiring but I do find the criticism kind of crazy. You know who we are not talking about, players that did nothing to help anyone. Yes I understand that there are players who did help quietly and not a publicity event.

    this is like if you got a hungry family on the street in Wall Street and 1000 people walk by ignoring them. Then finally someone who makes 300k a year stops and gives them $200 and bought them a meal and takes a picture to share on social media. The 999 people that did nothing are not taking any heat. It’s the dude that stopped and gave them the only help they received all day getting the criticism because he could have easily done more, he took a pic for self service, it wasn’t enough or genuine so let’s criticize this dude and ignore that thanks to him (regardless of why he did it and how little compared to his Rolex watch and BMW) those people are that day.

    I don’t know brother. I think we are focusing on the wrong thing
     
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  3. 4x4s

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    The problem is that people take it as criticism.
    Saying something is mostly insignificant or done out of purely altruistic motives is not criticism.

    Vinicius does the same thing Hollywood actors and the majority of entertainers do, obviously, as football players are to a large extent entertainers.

    If you don't think something is great, it doesn't automatically mean it's bad. It's very much like the Ronaldo topic where some people call everybody that doesn't faint at his presence on the screen a hater or a miserable person.

    Remember when youtube accounts started doing charity videos, there was a lot of backlash for it because people felt like the needs of the poor were being turned into content.
     
  4. Digital

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    So let me get it straight you spend all these words saying what Vin does re charity is just for show, not genuine, not enough, just business, self promotion whatever, not to criticise him but for what reason?, just to make us aware that we are just blind fans who shouldn't think it's worthy on any level, unlike yourself of course....... you must know Vin well, that's a broad brush, or maybe we are back to all humans are garbage......
     
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  5. Ahmadi8

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    We sure do have a lot of posters claiming not enough is done by specific people. Wonder how much they sacrifice.....
     
  6. 4x4s

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    To say that performative charity is done more so out of the motion to do what society has set out as a bit of expectation moreso out of the ideal to change a situation that needs change.

    Football players should be required to do more. They should be required to do less. The system of inviting all those rich people in private Jets, expensive limousines and drink champaign that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars is insane.

    This is basically an endless hamster wheel where poor stay poor forever, get thrown a few crumbs and the rich celebrate themselves as saviors.

    I've always maintained in this thread that those who truly have power should be on the move to do more. Rich people spending money on each other's "stuff" doesn't provide long term change that's needed. But then again, wanting celebrities to fix those issues is like trying to heal an open wound with a kiss on the cheek.


    The again, we can also just say, Vinicius, a wonderful person. Practically a saint. Thank God there's people like him, much better than the average human being.
     
  7. 4x4s

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    Vinis best friend Neymar blasted through 160k on a lost poker game in one night. It's irresponsible to compare the kind of money these guys throw around to a regular person.

    There's a bit of a weird emotional conflict there because if you feel like doing good is so important how do you justify burning money in gambling?

    Eventually we accept nothing is black and white, good or evil.
     
  8. celito

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    Wait ... Vinni has a car collection worth 240 milllion ? o_O

    That doesn't sound right ... how much are you all paying him ? :D
     
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  9. S1na

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    Ok so the conclusion:

    Vin has done something. Almost definitely for selfish reasons and personal gains. He and his friends should have done hundred times more. All of which is acceptable.

    Still, better than zero. No?
    Can we wrap it up?
     
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  10. J-Mezzy

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    3500 kids are grateful that Vini did this publicity stunt
     
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  11. S1na

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    Imagine at least two hundred more football stars doing the same.

    Would generate 200 million euros.
     
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  12. 4x4s

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    Apparently a lot of those are gifts from sponsors and wealthy people he's friends with. You have to laugh how the richer you are the less you pay for things.
     
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  13. celito

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    That still doesn't add up. 250m worth would mean he has 250 cars IF each car was worth 1 million. Doesn't make sense.
     
  14. Umar

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    Vinicius has cars worth 240 million?

    Rupees, maybe.

    Unless he’s earned 40 million gross every year with us and spent every penny on cars, I think that’s a little dubious.
     
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  15. fierro

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    So it turns out Vini Jr. is not only a good samaritan, but the man must also be a genius. By becoming such a prominent figure in the controversial debate of pro racisim v. anti racism, he now generates huge amounts of publicity for each and every cause he undertakes.

    The man is basically becoming a Saint before our eyes, soon there will be talk of the Nobel Peace Prize, maybe a Pullitzer.

    And he's a good dancer.

    #bailaVini.



    I think everyone would benefit from taking a @4x4s economics class. The man really knows how to help grow wealth, instantly and exponentially.
     
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  16. Umar

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    It’s not even 40 million gross salary, it’s 40 million net of tax. So eighty effectively.

    I am pretty sure we were paying him chicken feed for the first couple of years, then bumped it to market level once he got effective.
     
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  17. MerlinRM

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    This. If even 1 kid ends up leading a better life because of his foundation then Vini has succeeded in what he and his family set out to do.
     
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  18. 4x4s

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    Trust me I should be getting paid a lot more to read your stuff than I do now, but it's an honest way to generate an income.

    The bigsoccer shadow ownership is generous.
     
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  23. saadomar

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    I'm honestly happy that the Saudi Public investment fund came with this (rumored) massive offer for Vini Jr. This makes him one of the most valuable players in football, if not the most valuable. Real Madrid has a 1 billion dollar release clause for him. So if Vini Jr asks to leave, and Florentino doesn't want to oblige, he can ask for the full amount. Real Madrid is at no risk to lose him unless they want to sell.

    At the same time, Vini also knows that the Real Madrid ship sails only once. Once he leaves, Madrid won't come back for him. Just ask Cristiano and Benzema. So he can decide what he wants for his future, but he can also ask for more money from Madrid because his value has without a doubt substantially increased.

    SPIF us also getting the recognition they're seeking. They get to swing around large sums of cash and get noticed as a big sugar daddy to be reckoned with by football teams/players and fans.

    Everybody wins in this situation.
     
  24. saadomar

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    Who owns Bigsoccer?
     
  25. Umar

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    I don’t think anyone truly believes this any more? If you’re a good player and we have a shot, we will keep at it like we did with Kaka and Mbappe.

    The reason players rarely come back is because we are usually great at selling them when they start to decline. If Ronaldo left, was still the world’s best player and wanted to come back, I think we still try to make the transfer happen.

    Ships do sail, ask de Gea, but not for the cream of the crop.
     
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