All European life died in Auschwitz

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Amerikaki, Sep 16, 2006.

  1. Amerikaki

    Amerikaki Member

    Sep 19, 2005
    Queens
    I urge you to read with caution and an open mind, as this WILL offend people. Please don't burn down Bigsoccer.com's server in response.


    Here is the original article in spanish:
    http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=1865

    English translation:
    http://gcruse.typepad.com/the_owners_manual/2005/11/all_european_li.html

     
  2. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
  3. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

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    So the Holocaust was wrong because they got the wrong group. Interesting.

    I bet if you started making the muslims wear the crescent moon on their clothing, or restricting them to certain neighborhoods, that'd fix the problem. And if not, you could just round them up into camps - for their own protection and the protection of the European people as a whole, of course. And who knows, maybe at these "work camps", the muslims would learn the value of hard work, and through that work achieve a kind of freedom that, until now, they've been denied through their own failings.
     
  4. 96Squig

    96Squig Member

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    Somehow it is plain stupid.
     
  5. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

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    Exactly. And beyond that, while I agree that the JEwish people have disproportionately produced people of great accomplishment, I would invite the author to spend 20 minutes in Williamsburg, Crown Heights or Borough Park, and he might have a bit more of a balanced view.

    The big primary election story out of williamsburg was the yeshiva that gave out cards to the kids to give to their parents. If the kids came back with the card that was stamped that they voted for the jewish candidate (against the black ones), the kid was entered into a raffle at the school.

    My point? Let's love the Jews for their accomplishments as well as their foibles, as we should love every other group.
     
  6. Amerikaki

    Amerikaki Member

    Sep 19, 2005
    Queens

    Your point? Jewish 'foibles' of encouraging (even if unfairly) voting for Jewish candidates vs. Muslim 'foibles' of religious persecution, fanaticism, terrorism, etc.

    Yes, lets love every group for their accomplishments as well as their foibles.
     
  7. Auriaprottu

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    What motivated you to offer this link?
     
  8. Chicago1871

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    A complete lack of one's own ignorance.
     
  9. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

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    And, just as importantly, why the concomitant entreaty?
     
  10. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Perhaps he's hoping to find someone...

    other than possibly himself; I hate to see posts where someone submits a link but does not step up and openly endorse the link's POV. The ruse of offering fringe ideas as discussion material for "open-minded" folks is as transparent as it is old.

    ...who shares the author's opinion. My guess is someone will come along who sees it his way, and give him the satisfaction he wants.
     
  11. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

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    Like some freaky dating service?
     
  12. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Whatever. Jews are overated.
     
  13. Matt in the Hat

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  14. Nanbawan

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    In a way, it's beautiful. In the sense that such dumbness goes well beyond what I was able to expect. A breakthrough into abyssal stupidity. Splendid. :cool:
     
  15. Amerikaki

    Amerikaki Member

    Sep 19, 2005
    Queens

    Well, you're wrong because I haven't even shared my opinion.

    If you do want my opinion, the article is pretty accurate. It just takes longer for some people to come to certain realizations than others.

    To respond to the post above which assumes that the article is saying that the wrong people were targeted during the Holocaust - you're wrong too. Please show me where in the article (either in spanish or in the translation) the author even comes close to making that declaration.

    I think the bottom line message the article was giving is that the Holocaust was tragic for yet another reason.

    Every year that goes by, people should become aware of yet another tragedy caused by the holocuast. This author happened to realize the tragedy of the new Europe that the Holocaust caused. I don't see what is wrong with that.

    If you find the new Europe offending to the point that you find the article offensive, than without realizing it, you are agreeing with the Author.
     
  16. Nanbawan

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    [​IMG]
     
  17. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
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    Owe us commentary? Wtf? We're now allowed to post pure racist drivel as long as there's commentary? Come on, Matt, this crap is clearly against TOS.



    That's ********ing red card material, much less thread closure.
     
  18. Matt in the Hat

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    To be honest, I'd rather someone post racist drivel and try to defend it and then have the public fillet them than card someone for an unpopular opinion. But that's just me
     
  19. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
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    I'm not getting this-- is the idea that the holocaust was also a tragedy becuse Muslims moved into all the empty apartments which would still have been occupied otherwise?
     
  20. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Oh, you have, in so many words.

    "...Your point? Jewish 'foibles' of encouraging (even if unfairly) voting for Jewish candidates vs. Muslim 'foibles' of religious persecution, fanaticism, terrorism, etc."

    Your words, second post in this thread. Cowardly way of owning up to them, but yours nonetheless. BTW, your(European, not Jewish) fanatics were idiots like Cecil Rhodes. That he and his ilk have been dead quite a while doesn't change the fact that their brutality and racism affect the African continent to this day. Just as they showed up on the shores of South and Central America toting their European diseases, they showed up in Africa wanting to gain raw materials and force their way of life upon folks who had their own. And your biggest whine is that they allowed those folks to migrate after destroying/altering everything they knew.

    You're a punk. Deal with what your ancestors sowed and like it. And while you're at it, pretend to be a man and admit you'd rather have seen the Muslims gassed. It's clear that the act itself doesn't bother you.

    I think everyone pretty much came to the realization immediately that you're a bitter something or another.

    I've made no such assumption.

    Because it killed lots of people who some of you assume to be more creative and talented than others? Let's spell it out for the slow among us (Slow's in your mirror, Abe, just in case you haven't met him yet).

    The Holocaust is no more or less tragic because of who got gassed.

    What's wrong with it is that the "tragedy" is that these people were doing fine before Europeans came along, colonized their land, altered their culture in a way that it can never truly be restored, and opened your boundaries to them with absolutely no intention of treating them as equals. Now, having dealt these folks out of their own way of life and refusing to allow them into yours, you bitch and moan when they (finally realize that eating your way, speaking your way, dressing their women your way and doing things your way in general hasn't kept them from being considered second-class by more than a few Europeans and their leaders like LePen, and) see the writing on the wall.

    I find colonization offensive. I find the (mis)treatment of Islamic cultures offensive. Especially so given Europe could have left them the fuck alone from jump. Yes, it goes back that far if you start a thread like this, because that's where Europe went horribly wrong.

    If by "the new Europe" you mean one that reflects the attitudes of five or six generations of greedy settlers dividing a continent like a pizza, yes, that's offensive. If you mean views like your author, his pal Aragones and the monkeychanters in Spain, yes.

    If you mean the parts of Europe where people of color attempt to survive and preserve their culture, no, not in the least.
     
  21. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

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    Again with the Jews ... yadda yadda.
     
  22. Belgian guy

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    This piece was stupid for a multitude of reasons, not least of which this:

    How exactly does one link the influx of Muslim immigrants with the holocaust?
    There isn't a causal connection between the two. The reason that most Muslim migrant workers ended up in Europe was to fill the jobs the Europeans themselves had no longer any desire to fill.
     
  23. 96Squig

    96Squig Member

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    This thread is stupid to begin with because the article posted above is a gross discrimination against Muslims in Europe. People tend to blame every 2nd problem there is on them, even though we do have more problems to solve in our societies. I mean, ok, humans used to blame a lot of things on socialists, jews, comunists, ..., but that doesn't make it right.

    This is a gross insult to every punk, by the way. This words does get misused as well in the US.
     
  24. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    Because it's so difficult take a definitive stand against this stuff?

    So I can post stormfront.org screeds, KKK shit and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion at will and I'm good to go because they're not actually my words and you lack a backbone?

    Sounds good to me.........:rolleyes:
     
  25. Amerikaki

    Amerikaki Member

    Sep 19, 2005
    Queens


    Right, because Gentiuno.com is a racist white supremacist group...:rolleyes:

    The fact still stands - Europe changed for the worst with the removal of 6,000,000 life loving, inventive, creative and enthusiastic Jews. The introduction of mass immigration from the Middle East and Northern Africa has added to the deterioration of European culture, or the increase of culture clash rather. You've only seen the beginning with bombings in Spain and England.

    And if you are going to compare those terrorist acts to the terrorist acts of non-Islamic groups in the past, you're mistaken. The root causes of the terrorism is what you have to worry about, not just the terrorism.

    You're calling me racist because of an article someone in Spain wrote. Just think for a second though, who actually lives in Europe? Who is experiencing and witnessing what the article speaks about? Not us. Him. The author.


    The Holocuast was tragic because of the killing of 6,000,000 innocent Jews. That is the bottom line. 9/11 was tragic because of the killing of over 2,000 innocent people as well. Both events will be remembered for the killing of innocents. Those were the same-day effects.

    This guy is just pointing out another long-term effect of the Holocaust. The new Europe that has resulted. I am sure that if New Yorks economy suffers 10 years down the line, someone may say, "well you know, I've been able to track down this slow economic decline to the events of 9/11, and I can prove it, here are some examples".
     

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