All Brazilian players that were the best in the world

You LACK knowledge. You LACK information. You LACK research. You DON'T KNOW enough about the matter in question, you've probably never even stepped on Brazilian soil.

It is that simple.

Even a freaking quick AI search will help you out here. Even CHatGPT will tell you Emundo's career PEAK was in 1997 and that he was THE PLAYER of that year in Brazil.

Popular appeal was never the main point here, even less so when you consider that Romário was and still is much more popular than Edmundo. Quit the bad habit of trying to distort everything that is actually WRITTEN.

Again: you simply DON'T KNOW what you're talking about and that is way too clear for anyone with MINIMUM knowledge on the matter to see.

Sure... what is reliable is to make a point based solely on who a manager decided was better fit to start the games for the national team in the beginning of the season – and NOTHING else.

Romário played for FLAMENGO in 1997, not for Vasco da Gama (Edmundo's club). And he left the club in late July to go to Valencia (where he had an absolutely WEAK second semester).

Stop EMBARASSING yourself.

Edmundo did not score his 29 goals in the competition during the "closing months". The Brasileirão started in early July and finished in late December. It takes up most of the calendar (6 months).

He dominated the competition from the start.

Stop EMBARASSING yourself. You've done that enough already.

Talking NONSENSE again, as usual. I'm almost conviced that you're uncapable of interpreting simple texts. Either that or you try to distort things on purpose for whatever reason.

Once again: the Copa América happened in June for LESS than a month and the season finished in December, with Edmundo giving one of the best performances in the HISTORY of the Brasileirão.

THROUGHOUT the competition that lasted 6 months.

What part of that you couldn't read and understand yet?

Once again displaying IGNORANCE on Brazilian football.

Only somebody who has NO IDEA of what they're talking about would dismiss the Brasileirão in favor of a Carioca Championship in the beginning of the season.

Besides, Edmundo was at top level throughout the season, including being part of the national team that won the Copa América as well. He was up there there from beginning to end in 1997.

Romário was at top level for the first 5 months, and then he did absolutely NOTHING for the rest of the year, during the MOST IMPORTANT part of the season.

 

You're the one putting too much weight on international competitions that lasted 2-3 weeks (and in which Edmundo also took part) in which Brazil had a coach with his own personal preferences (as it always is) and played against FAR WEAKER rivals than itself, whilst dismissing everything at club level for a WHOLE SEMESTER in which the most important tournament of the season was disputed.

It's pathetic reasoning.

No, I don't think that. I think you lack basic textual interpretation skills or you distort things on purpose to be able to reach the conclusion you want to reach in your own mind, regardless of it being completely misguided.

It is quite weird, but you tend to do that quite often on every topic.

Again with the NONSENSE point of total goals scored, regardless of the competition in which they were scored or the amount of games played for them to be scored or even the rivals that were faced.

Do you really like it when people repeat themselves all over again, mate?

Don't you ever get bored of it?

 

Even the freaking AI dismisses your claims, mate.

And I asked it in 3 different ways to make sure there would be no confusion. And the answer favored Edmundo EVERY time.

But keep trying to go against EVERY SINGLE EVIDENCE that shows that you are simply WRONG.

Keep going!

 

What are you talking about, you DUMB idiot?

I've literally told you MULTIPLE times that Edmundo was at top level THROUGHOUT the season, from beginning to end, whereas Romário had a practically ABSENT second semester at Valencia, where he achieved NOTHING.

Can you even read?

No, I don't "keep saying" that. I literally just said it ONCE, two comments ago.

And to sum up the ONLY league in the WORLD that has TWELVE big clubs in it (which makes it by far the most competitive on the planet) to "Bragantino and União São João" is just as DUMB as all the rest of the stuff you've said so far.

Just another ridiculous point coming out of you.

As if Vasco hadn't faced Palmeiras, Corinthians, Flamengo, São Paulo, Santos, Botafogo, Fluminense, Cruzeiro, Grêmio, Internacional, Atlético Mineiro... many of them going through their GOLDEN era in the 90s.

But I guess having a 6-month vacation at Valencia was "tougher", eh?

Nobody is denying that it's very possibly the best attacking duo in history, you FOOL.

That is NOT the point here. The POINT is that, in that PARTICULAR year of 1997, in that PARTICULAR season that started in January and ended in December, Edmundo had a better overall performance than Romário (who practically missed 6 months of football during the most important part of the season).

Are you so BRAINDEAD that you can't understand something as simple as that???

In WHICH competitions, you MORON???

Romário MISSED 6 months of football in the calendar. Including the most important part of the year. Edmundo DIDN'T.

Nobody here is talking about "4 months in the calendar", since Edmundo played the FULL year and was on practically EVERY callup for the national team, disputing ALL the competitions both for Vasco AND Brazil.

How can a single person even spawn so much NONSENSE? It's quite extraordinary the amount of CRAP and distortion you are cabaple of producing, man.

It's like you can't interpret SIMPLE texts.

 

In which competitions, you REPETITVE IDIOT???

Besides, Romário was a STRIKER (number 9), whereas Edmundo was a SECOND-STRIKER and a WINGER (number 7).

So your analysis FAILS ONCE AGAIN, since you're not taking into consideration such a BASIC and ESSENTIAL dfference in the POSITION on which each of them played on the pitch.

They DID NOT have the same role in the game and the fact that Edmundo, although not a striker, scored staggering 29 goals in 28 games at the Brasileirão that year is just FURTHER evidence of the season he had.

Quit REPEATING yourself with DUMB points, 'cause even the freaking AI DISAGREES with you.

Period.

 

I changed NOTHING.

I started my point by saying Edmundo had arguaby the best performance in the HISTORY of the calendar's most important competition in the country (the Brasileirão) and is – TO THIS DAY – widely regarded as the best player in Brazil that year, by a LARGE margin.

At the same time, I stated multiple times that he was great THROUGHOUT the year, considering he was consistently being called up for the national team and also being a starter in many matches from the begining to the end of the season.

When are you going to stop trying to distort things that are very SIMPLE to understand?

The only thing AWKWARD here is you trying hard not to understand everything that is clearly WRITTEN several times over and over again.

And, once again, you make a STUPID point comparing players with DIFFERENT roles on the pitch, playing for different teams, under different contexts... based solely on "total goals scored".

Based on your ever STUPID reasoning, then, Botafogo's Gonçalves should be named best player of the year, since HE was named the best player of that Carioca Tournament (NOT Romário).

Based on your DUMB logic, Gonçalves should be starting for the national team because he was the best of a state tournament in the beginning of the year that ended in March.

I'll say it once again: even the AI disagrees with you.

There isn't much else to be said, really.

 

Gonçalves was not a starter in every game at Copa América NOR was he the best player in Brazil bcause he was named the best player at the Carioca NOR was he a starter for Brazil at the end of the season (Confederations Cup), regardless of being the best player of a state competition in the begnning of the year.

The point stands INTACT and shows that it makes LITTLE difference what happened at the Carioca Tournament (as it ALWAYS does for anyone who knows Brazilian football).

What part did you (AGAIN) not understand that they played on DIFFERENT positions and that Edmundo was the top scorer in the HISTORY of the calendar's most important competition (regardless of not being a striker), which was FAR MORE relevant than being the top-scorer in the beginning of the year at a state tournament?

How many times does this have to be repeated into your head until you are finally able to start using your BRAIN?

Who the hell is talking about being the "main man"?

Edmundo had the best SEASON out of the two. It is THAT simple.

Nobody is talking about who was being put to start the games for the national team. That has NOTHING to do with who had the superior season at the end of the year or throughout the year.

It's not even DEBATABLE that Edmundo had the superior year in comparison to Romário, who practically MISSED 5 months of the calendar whilst at Valencia.

Simple as that.

No "standards" are being changed, you freaking WEIRDO.

The assertion is quite simple to understand from the very beginning: Edmundo was SUPERIOR to Romário in 1997 and literally 99% of football fans and critics in Brazil will AGREE with this assertion.

Even the AI agrees with this assertion.

The only person who doesn't agree with this assertion is you, because you are a WEIRDO and you truly think that you know better than EVERYBODY else, regardless of how much evidence proving you wrong gets thrown in your face.

And, NO, the Brasileirão DIDN'T last 4 months. It lasted SIX months (from the beginning of July to late December) and was the MAIN competition in the country, that took over most of the season's calendar.

Quit trying to distort everything that is clearly stated several times over, WEIRDO.

 

No, I didn't mess up any timeline, you FOOL.

You start EVERY comment with a nervously childish "LOL" because you're getting OWNED. And you're getting OWNED not just by me but also by AI.

Even the Artificial Intelligence will tell you that Edmundo had a superior season to Romário in 1997. No matter how much you try to distort: it will ALWAYS bring you the same answer. Every SINGLE time.

Because the answer is simply TOO OBVIOUS.

Edmundo led his team to a FAR more important title that year with a LEGENDARY performance and he took part with the national team in the same titles won by Romário from the start of the year.

It is THAT simple to understand.

Gonçalves wasn't taken to the national team because of a 2-month performance at the State Tournament, you FOOL.

He was already being called up for the national team since the previsou year. The Carioca had nothing ot very LITTLE do with it, as it ALWAYS does in Brazil.

If you really believe that he was called up solely because of what he did in the beginning of the year, then you really are a FOOL and you know nothing about Brazilian football.

Stop EMBARASSING yourself with a MORONIC comment like that.

Romário simply DID NOT have a good run at Valencia. And EVERYBODY knows it. It's COMMOM sense, no matter how much you try to distort it.

So much so that he only stayed there for another semester and left. People hardly even REMEMBER that a player as big as Romário ever even played there. That's how FORGETTABLE it was.

And the fact that he was injured and had problems with the manager is NO excuse. It doesn't change the fact that Edmundo was giving a LEGENDARY performance in Brazil with Vasco da Gama and had a BETTER SEASON that Romário overall.

It is COMMON SENSE, no matter how much you try to distort it.

You have DOZENS of problems with your arguments that even the AI disagrees with.

And here we go again repeating the same STUPID point that has NOTHING to do with who had the better season. It makes NO difference who started playing for the national team. Brazil was PACKED with talent in the second half of the 90s, all competing for a spot, and Romário was already established as one of the best strikers in the world, whilst Edmundo, although also great, hadn't had the HISTORIC performance he would have at the Brasileirão yet.

So it is OBVIOUS that Romário would start off ahead of him, since Edmundo's peak was still to come later that year. But he was ALREADY being part of the national team, already being called up for Copa América and already starting games. Even BEFORE his peak that would come in the most IMPORTANT part of the season, which was when the NATIONAL competition started.

By early 1998, AFTER his legendary 1997 season, Edmundo was also being a starter for the national team, playing ALONGSIDE Romário AND alongside Ronaldo (they would take turns). Because by then he was also already unquestionable (even though he didn' manage to maintain the same level playing for the national team and ended up being benched at the 1998 World Cup).

This has been said MULTIPLE times already, but you're too DUMB and stubborn to understand.

Again repeating a DUMB logic that has already been refuted SEVERAL times.

It doesn't matter who scored more goals in total, considering both players played on different positions on the pitch. Being a striker and a goal-scoring machine troughout his career, it is OBVIOUS that Romário scores more goals than anybody else. That is NO surprise. That is what he did and it has ALWAYS been so.

What you keep FAILING to grasp is that the STAGE where the goals were scored is NOT the same.

You've EMBARASSED youself trying to compare scoring goals at the Carioca Tournament whilst Edmundo was the top scorer in the HISTORY of ANY edition of the National LEAGUE, with 29 goals netted in 28 matches – without even playing as a striker.

He was an inside FORWARD and a WINGER (#7), whilst Romário was a striker (#9).

But you seem to be UNABLE to understand the differences and analyze the CONTEXTS. All you do is look at "total goals scored" in the whole season, regardless of anything else, and draw a DUMB precipitated conclusion like an idiot.

The FACTS are that, while Romário had an UNEVENTFUL run at Valencia for the whole second semester of that year, Edmundo gave one of the best performances in the HISTORY of Brazilian football in the national league.

These are the FACTS here. And you being a fanboy is not going to change anything.

The fact that even the AI supports the claim of Edmundo being superior that year just gives EXTRA weight to something that is, I'll repeat, COMMON SENSE all over Brazil

This is the FACT.

 

The problem is that you're confusing being the best player overall with having the best season.

Romário was undeniably a greater player than Edmundo overall in his career. As great as Edmundo also was, he ranks behind Romário, in general, and everybody knows that.

But that doesn't necessarily mean Romário was superior in every single season he had. One thing doesn't automatically lead to the other.

Romário being a starter for the Brazil national team in 1997 had NOTHING to do with what he was doing during that season at club level. ZERO.

He was Romário, he didn't have anything to prove by then. His place on the national team was undisputed. It had NOTHING to do with him having the best season of his career or not.

He delivered it for Brazil and that's it.

Regardless of who was playing for the national team, it is COMMON SENSE that Edmundo had a superior season than Romário SPECIFICALLY in the year of 1997.

The debate in 1997 is between EDMUNDO and RONALDO. Not Romário.

Romário doesn't even ENTER the conversation that year.

https://ge.globo.com/futebol/times/...que-ninguem-jogou-mais-bola-que-edmundo.ghtml

https://www.museudapelada.com/resenha-edmundo-o-maior-do-mundo-em-1997/

https://odia.ig.com.br/esporte/2019...or-do-mundo-em-1997---superior-a-ronaldo.html

https://www.facebook.com/sportv/vid...hor-jogador-do-mundo-em-1997/460396738514874/



I'll repeat: it is COMMON SENSE in Brazil.

 

You've reached the point where you want to argue against EVERY SINGLE piece of information and evidence that SHOWS that you are simply WRONG. It's pathetic.

You're not trying to argue just against me. You're trying to argue against EVERY SINGLE journalist and sports critic in Brazil. You're trying to argue against EVERY football fan in Brazil. You're trying to argue against the FACTS.

You should SPARE yourself.

AI is FAR from being the only tool used to prove the point.

You're just TOO dumb or too dishonest not to have seen that NUMEROUS pieces of evidence and information have been presented. Numbers, facts, opinion of renowned football critics from the country, popular opinion, common sense etc...

Artificial Intelligence was just the FINAL blow to prove that you're WRONG, out of SEVERAL ones presented so far.

Edmundo was a starter for the national team in FIVE games played in February of 1998.

His performances at the national team were not convincing that year and he ended up losing his spot as a starter, although he almost always entered the games coming from the bench.

What part of that did you not understand when it was already mentioned previously, you freaking PSYCHO?

And the point is not about the 1998 season anyway. It's about the 1997 one, when Edmundo was considered the best player by EVERY SINGLE SPORTS CRITICS in the country.

Is that clear enough for you?

His whole semester disappeared during the most IMPORTANT part of the season, you IDIOT.

So much so that he was NEVER considered the best player by ANYBODY in 1997, whereas Edmundo was being compared to Ronaldo and being called the best player IN THE WORLD in Brazil that year.

What part of that did you not understand yet?

Indeed, it doesn't begin in August.

No matter how much your DUMB mind tries to repeat the same thing over and over again to convince yourself that you are right when are clearly WRONG, the Brasileirão started in early July and Edmundo was already being called up for the national team LONG before that.

Meanwhile, Romário spent a whole SEMESTER that was NON-EXISTENT at Valencia.

Keep trying to argue against the whole FREAKING WORLD, idiot.

 

I've given you TONS of arguments. Far more than you have given me.

The only thing you did was throwing in "total of goals scored" for players that played on different positions and who was starting for the national team in the beginning of the season BEFORE the main competition started.

And literally NOTHING else.

You're just too DUMB to realize that you simply DON'T have a point.

Edmundo was a starter alongside BOTH of them during that period.

And what does that have to do with who had the best season in 1997 again?

Everybody with some BASIC common sense knows that Edmundo only didn't join the discussion because he didn't play in Europe. Romário wasn't consider for best in the world anymore either after he left Europe, in early 1995.

I agree that Ronaldo was the best in the world in 1997. I've said that from the start. But Edmundo should be SERIOUSLY considered for 2nd place. That's what's being said.

But that's not even the point right now. The point right now is that you actually think that Romário was superior to Edmundo, when absolutely NOBODY who knows about football thinks that.

It is LAUGHABLE to think Romário was superior in 1997. He simply WASN'T.

And BOTH of them were playing in Brazil until late July, so you can't tell me that the parameters were not the same (even less so considering Romário had a WEAK run at Valencia after he left Brazil, which weakens EVEN FURTHER your whole point).

Romário left Brazil to Valencia in JULY.

That has already been said multiple times. Stop pretending that you can't read.

Really??

So why was Edmundo the one being called "best player in the world" that year and not Romário???

Saying Edmundo "didn't win anything" in the first half when he was LITERALLY part of the Brazil squad that won the Copa América just shows how much of a LUNATIC you are.

The analysis of a whole season is NOT summed up by 2-3 weeks of an international competition that doesn't even REMOTELY approach the importance of a World Cup.

Your evaluation basically revolves into "who started for the national team in the beginning of the year". And NOTHING else.

It's pathetic.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This just puts an end to it all.

Sure... I will take the misguided and irrelevant PERSONAL OPINION of a random NOBODY from a forum over the analyses of DOZENS of renowned sports critics, jounalists, analysts, football fans and every single piece of evidence and information that came out in the last THIRTY years...

I'll just ignore EVERYTHING that proves that you are WRONG and trust what you say because you surely know better, yeah?

Who are you again, mate???

 

The only reason Edmundo wasn't considered for best in the world in 1997 is because he wasn't playing in Europe. This has been a pretty established view in Brazil for the last 30 years.

I don't think he would beat Ronaldo for it, but he would MOST CERTAINLY be in the discussion at the end of that year.

To me, he was number #2 in 1997. Only behind Ronaldo.

His performance that season was nothing less than SUBLIME.

And let me be CLEAR again: I'm not talking about who was the superior player overall during their whole careers. I'm talking specifically about the year of 1997.



The debate was REAL.

 

Sure I'm "making things up" by bringing DOZENS of sources showing that Edmundo was in the discussion for best in the world in Brazil (and Romário was never even MENITIONED as such by ANYBODY that year).

The only person here with ZERO evidece to support their claims is YOU, silly boy.

Wake up.

Yes, ahead of ALL of them.

He was FAR more decisive than ALL of them and the Brazilian League was amongst the highest level you could get in the 1990s.

We're not talking about 2026. We're talking about 1997.

Your lack of INFORMATION on the matter doesn't make you right. It just makes you look like a fool.

Your problem is that you think everything is summed up by what happens on the national team.

According to you, Ademir da Guia would never be Palmeiras' all-time greatest player simply because he wasn't that successful or an immediate starter playing for the national team.

Ricardo Bochini wouldn't be Independiente's greatest player either because he also didn't have the best run on the national team. He would never be able to have a great season because of that, according to your DUMB over-simplistic logic.

And Alex de Souza would be just an average player, according to you.

You are THAT dumb.

You are OFF again, idiot. From the very beginning.

If Romário didn't play a single long-term important competition that year and missed parts of the season, then that just STRENGTHENS the point that he wasn't superior to Edmundo.

Somehow, your DUMB mind seems to think that this can be used as an "excuse" for him, when that is actually PART OF THE POINT why he wasn't pointed out as one of the best that year. By NOBODY.

Neither the media nor the public.

NOBODY.

And there you go again going in circles and repeating the same CRAP. You DUMB fool.

Did you even read the links that were sent to you? Do you even know the journalists? Do you know the reputation of the websites that published the articles?

Don't you realizae how STUPID you look trying to go against EVERYTHING and EVERYONE when you're clearly WRONG?

Just how IRRATIONAL do you have to be to claim one player was better than the other in a whole season without playing the MOST IMPORTANT competiton of the season?

Make that make sense.

I've had enough of you, mate. I'm not going to carry on going around in circles with you, wasting time. You've already been proven WRONG several times over, with PLENTY of supporting evidence.

The conversation with you is over, there's nothing left to be said.