Al Franken and Paul Wolfowitz discuss the war in Iraq

Fixed your post (again)

 

Which Gulf War?

 

Boy that Crusader artillery piece, which the Clinton Adminstration funded to the tune of many millions of dollars at the behest of a stick-in-the-mud army procurement effort, sure did wonders in this war, didn't it??

Oh, and from another pespective, who was the Secretary of Defense during the Clinton Administration.

Why, it was an EVIL Republican. Fancy that.

 

Not to dishonor the great job done by brave sailors, Marines, soldiers, and airmen from the US, Britain, Australia, Poland, and other nations, but my ROTC unit could've single-handedly take out Saddam. Hopefully "Clinton's military" will never have to be tested against a formidable enemy like North Korea or China.

 

A television reporter said today he meant Franken at a dinner , and came away thinking Franken was mentally deranged. Some piece of evidence.

 

Television reporter? That's your source?

 

One thing you can say about Al is that he's persistent. How many years did he write for SNL? 20 plus? He even survived/caused the lean years when the show was about as funny as SS cancer.

Dems are drooling over a possible Moore/Franken ticket in '04.

 

Hahah, you think that was Clinton's military!? Hahah, harldy. If you think what was deployed in Iraq was Clintons military you are hopeless.

 

Here's Clinton's Army

http://www.goodsexkeeping.com/june00/sexfiles.htm

During ejaculation 40 million or more sperm are released in an average of 1.5 to 2.5 ml.(1 to 2 teaspoons) of semen. Of these squirming gene carrying creatures, about 40-50% push onward toward the female's egg. This army of sperm have to be strong and very aggressive in order to carry out their mission

 

Bush's economy will reveal itself in about 8-10 years.

With regards to military strength, this was Clinton's Army, just like it was Bush the first's army. Clinton was accused during the election of dropping military spending the last couple of years in office and neglecting the military. Clinton was also responsible for the above reference military equipment development disaster.

However, Clinton as commander in chief deserves credit for transitioning from Gulf War I arms to Gulf War II arms (very precision guided bombs, missles,e tc.). It really is just an improvement in the technology though and not really the result of any president. Sure he authorized it and did it, but anyone would have which is kind of the point.

As long as our military remains well funded we will be superior for several years to come. In addition we sell off our scraps to other countries for big time money as well. It is all good being the world superpower.

What is amazing to me is the amount of restraint (even with the Iraq situation) the US exercises with such a dominant force. If we took over Canada, Mexico and all of South America tommorrow, I don't think anyone could stop us or even think about stopping us. We are good to exercise such restraint.

 

> Boy that Crusader artillery piece, which the
> Clinton Adminstration funded to the tune of many
> millions of dollars at the behest of a stick-in-the
>-mud army procurement effort, sure did wonders
> in this war, didn't it??

The Cursader was never something that Clinton wanted, but it was being pushed by very powerful people (including some of the most powerful Republicans in the Senate as well as the well-connected Carlyle Group, which owns the company that makes it). Clinton could not fight it (not that he really wanted to - his administration gave the miltary more freedom than just about any president in the modern era). Even Bush the Younger had a hard time stopping it - he campaigned under the banner of Rumsfeld’s reform agenda, where weapons systems would be reevaluated and cut if needed. They found they couldn't cut that (and other programs) right away - it took them almost 2 years just to stop the Crusader. They still havn't done anything to the F-22, V-22 or Comanche.

> Oh, and from another pespective, who was the
> Secretary of Defense during the Clinton
> Administration.

Well, a bi-partisan, centrist administration is certianly a sign of a great president.

> Hahah, you think that was Clinton's military!?
> Hahah, harldy.

Of course it was. Certainly his eight years had a much larger impact on the military than Bush's two. Under what administration were the important new systems used in the war created? GPS bombs? Clinton. Unmanned aircraft? Clinton. "Digital Battlefield" communications? Clinton. Marine training in urban combat situations? Clinton. Hit-to-kill Patriot systems? Clinton. Cruise missile improvement and procurement? Clinton. Until Sept 11, Bush basically kept the Clinton budget (while Rumsfeld tried to find out how to do his "transformation").

What about the current military can be described as Bushish?

 

Clinton endorsed very little of what you mentioned.

 

Re: Re: Al Franken and Paul Wolfowitz discuss the war in Iraq

hahaha ROTC. please. quit being a *************** enlist, finish school while enlisted and get your commission while in service.

momma's boy.

 

If it's bad, it's Clinton's fault. If it's good, it's Bush's credit. Hence, 9/11 was Clinton's fault, the economy is Clinton's fault, Enron was Clinton's fault, the stock market is Clinton's fault, but...you know, has Bush actually done anything besides call Bruce Arena during the World Cup?

"But we beat Iraq! Blah blah blah! Etc. etc. etc." Look at it objectively, geniuses - that operation was fubared, from day one. The plan was crap, and it was executed badly, from the Turkish diplomatic meltdown to the stop signs in Arabic (OOPS) to the preparations for post-Saddam Baghdad to being all surprised that the Shi'ites aren't all out buying Cobi Jones beanie bears on EBay.

Yeah, I've seen the ads that say "the only things left are the victors and the vanquished." Me and my close, personal friend Pyrrhus have differing opinions.

 

oh dan you'll always be my favorite arm chair militray analyst (moron)

 

Hi-freaking-larious

Well now THERE'S a shock, huh, kids? Betcha never saw that one coming.

 

DL: Herr Guderian, you operation into France was fubared, from day one. The plan was crap, and it was executed badly.

HG: Is that a fact? I think I'll call you from my office in Paris, and we can discuss tactics.


DL: Ike, Overlord was a disaster.


Ike: Ok Dan, whatever.

 

> Clinton endorsed very little of what you mentioned.

He didn't un-endorse it either. The point is that all the right-wingers thought that Clinton was wrecking the military by underfunding it and actually using it, and it turns out it wasn't true at all.

 

Re: Hi-freaking-larious

Hey, Joe you know who Brian kilmeade is don't you?

I don't give a shiite what channel he is on. I would watch him any way. He is a soccer guy just like we are right Joe? You don't remember him from Metrostars games, and from the sports channel sport news show yrs ago? He also was on that half hour show that the long island Junior soccer league produced.

Some how he parlayed that into becomming a new reporter. Let's try to remember one of the few fans of the game that is in the media, and support this guy in his new career.