Ajax Reborn - the Farioli Edition; Ajax 2024-25

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  1. aveslacker

    aveslacker Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Apr 2, 2006
    Old Madras
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree. I think that's the biggest difference. They're better defensively (last game notwithstanding) and so much of defense is about communication, teamwork, and fighting spirit. That alone will address some of their very obvious skill deficiencies. It just won't get Brobbey to put the ball in the back of the net.
     
  2. I find it incredible that he refused to take the offer of van Basten to work with him on being a striker.
    Every young striker talent in the world would gasp for air and grab something to hold on to if they got that offer and would only be capable of nodding to accept it....but Brobbey....
     
  3. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    None of us can say for certain what did or did not take place.
     
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  4. aveslacker

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    Ajax
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    Apr 2, 2006
    Old Madras
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    AFC Ajax
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    United States
    Not that he's asking me, but I would take him up on the offer. :cool:
     
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  5. richsavare

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    Ajax
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    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
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    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Van Basten certainly hasn’t endeared himself to many players who has appeared for Ajax or Oranje over the past couple of years with his general negative views, or comments right or wrong, with Brobbey being one of his targets.
    That said, I would understand Brobbey not wanting anything to do with the Van Basten.
     
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  6. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
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    I would also note that van Basten was a bad NT and club manager. Being a great player does not guarantee success as a trainer but it can mean a lot of money as a TV pundit.
     
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  7. aveslacker

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    Apr 2, 2006
    Old Madras
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    AFC Ajax
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    United States
    He was definitely pretty bad as a manager, but I could see him as being good at coaching specific skills for strikers (and lord knows Brobbey needs some help).

    Interestingly, right now there are a lot of top players who have turned into good managers. Pep, Arteta, Zidane, Deschamps, Simeone, and Xabi Alonso come to mind, just off the top of my head. It seems to me like this is more than in the past.
     
  8. aveslacker

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    Ajax
    United States
    Apr 2, 2006
    Old Madras
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weghorst to start, thank goodness.
     
  9. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Ajax can look to the long trip home from Baku with a 0-3 win in their pocket. The match was decided early when Godts was pulled down and a DOGSO Red Card was shown quickly by the Scottish referee. Ajax scored in the first half with a put back by Taylor and then got two in the 2nd half, Weghorst from the spot and Akpom late. Ajax were lethargic in the MF not moving the ball quickly enough to create much in the way of shot opportunities but at this point any victory will be celebrated. With the early games complete, Ajax top the table with 7 points and a superior goal differential. That lead should be short lived as there are a number of teams that can ease ahead of them depending on results.

    Player Ratings:

    Pasveer (6) - had very little to do
    Rensch (6) - had one disastrous pass that created a Qarabag scoring opportunity but was otherwise sold
    Rugani (7) - played about 2/3 of the match and was solid
    Sutalo (6.5) - had a decent match
    Hato (6.5) - did well enough
    Henderson (7) - did a decent job keeping the defensive shape
    Taylor (6.5) - got the match winner in the first half
    Fitz-Jim (6) - OK match before coming off at the 60th minute
    Rasmussen (6) - drew a penalty when he was shouldered into the ground but did little else
    Weghorst (6) - solid penalty taken but did not have any other opportunities
    Godts (6.5) - was dangerous at times, forcing his opponent to foul
    Kaplan (6) - had a couple of touches coming in for Rugani
    Akpom (6) - scored a nice goal in relief
    van den Boomen (5) - had little impact
    Gaaei (NR) - on late
    Mokio (NR) - on late

    Willem II up on Sunday then Feynoord in mid-week followed by PSV. Matches coming one on top of another now.
     
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  10. BPBlueSox

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    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Pretty uninspiring match - very fortunate with that early red card, think they would have had a tough time scratching out a goal or two without it. Movement just wasn’t there.
     
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  11. richsavare

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    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
    Absolutely correct.
    The World Cup 2006 debacle of not selecting Seedorf and Davids was insane.
    Dropping Ruud Van Nistelrooy in the Round of 16 hackfest vs Portugal really puts Van Basten in a poor light.
     
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  12. richsavare

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    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Terrible match yesterday I thought between average Ajax and the powerhouse Qarabag.
    Other than the horrific challenges by the hosts there was little else to say about another average performance from Ajax.
     
  13. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
    Denzel Darko with a hat trick today as Ajax U-15 team pulverized Feyenoord 6-1!!!:thumbsup:
     
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  14. pfloyd

    pfloyd Member

    Mar 18, 2012
    Varna, Bulgaria
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    A dream come true! The midfield of my dreams: Tahirovic, van den Boomen, Klaassen. Completely new defensive lineup too. It'll be very interesting to watch this experiment. Hope it'll pay off.
     
  15. wynaldaisagod

    wynaldaisagod Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Aug 9, 2019
    I like total rotation after that trip... Ajax has to play the long game and it's not like there's a huge difference between starters/subs at lots of positions.

    (Watch this totally backfire...)
     
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  16. pfloyd

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    Mar 18, 2012
    Varna, Bulgaria
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Yet another 90 min. wasted. Throughout the match I was under the impression that I'm watching a Sunday League game. The lack of even basic technical skills and creativity demonstrated by our players is impressive.
     
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  17. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
    I had an early choral concert so I just finished watching the replay. A clean sheet in an otherwise boring game but a win none the less. Farioli continued his heavy rotation scheme to keep players as fresh as possible, given the congested fixture schedule. Not only did he make a bunch of changes but came out with a new 5-3-2 formation. Brobbey drew an early penalty and Klaasen did not miss from the spot. Wijndal had a good effort with his off foot but all of the other Ajax shots were very tame. Defensively, Ajax were sound and there was only one tough shot on goal that Ramaj parried over the bar. Unfortunately, with three mediocre MFs, Ajax had a lot of trouble moving the ball around in the offensive half.Ajax stay in 3rd but are only three back of Utrecht who lost to Feynoord.

    Player Ratings:

    Ramaj (5.5) - started as part of the rotation plan; was decent in the first half and dreadful in the second
    Gaaei (7) - had only one tough defensive play to make and did so with a sound tackle; he had some very nice crosses going forward and was generally good with the ball
    Rugani (6.5) - mistake free on defense, coming off after 60 minutes
    Baas (6.5) - played in the center of the 3 man back line and did the job
    Kaplan (6.5) - decent enough going the full 90
    Wijndal (6.5) - had a very nice game going down the left side and had the best shot of the game for Ajax that ended up being saved
    Tahirovic (6) - didn't make any mistakes which is always worth a point in my opinion
    van den Boomen (6) - really not much of an impact on the match
    Davy One Goal (6) - had the match winner from the spot
    Traore (4.5) - worst player on the pitch for me with some poor touches and soft turnovers
    Brobbey (6) - worked incredibly hard the whole 90 minutes, maybe he should have scored off the Gaaei cross but it looked like the ball bounced up too high for him
    Sutalo (6) - decent coming in for Rugani
    Taylor (6) - had a couple of half chances as a sub
    Henderson (NR) - on late for Tahirovic and was OK
    Godts (NR) - on for Traore and had some ball possession in the final ten mutes
    Hato (NR) - on late

    Feyenoord coming up on Wednesday and then PSV next Sunday. We will see if Ajax are a serious challenger.
     
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  18. I think the police strike screwed Ajax major league, as Feyenoord now and Feyenoord atm of the original matchday are day and night different.
     
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  19. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Awful match once again.
    Farioli rotation of crap replacing crap.
    This Ajax team plays very slow and almost zero creativity.
    Traore was horrendous with his lazy attitude and slack play on the ball.
    Ramaj returned in Goal and he was brutal. Stupid decisions and outright poor distribution.
    Was hoping to see Weghorst play with Brobbey in the so called 3-5-2 which was clearly useless and ineffective.
    Really bad football today.
     
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  20. BPBlueSox

    BPBlueSox Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    This felt like another step backwards today. Like Orange said, we will see reality on Wednesday. Dreading it a bit at the moment.
     
  21. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
    I cannot blame Faroli for this. Having all these matches crammed together is bad and they lost extra days of training because of a match in Azerbaijan because of travel. Previous trainers would not have rotated players and the results would have been worse.
     
  22. BPBlueSox

    BPBlueSox Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    I agree regarding the rotation and all - but for some reason these last four matches or so feel like continued regression in overall play. Praha (hold on for undeserved point), Groningen (wout saves three points), Heracles (ugly three points), Qarabag (uninspiring and very helped by the red card), and yesterday (saved by a penalty).

    super good they got so many points out of so many matches where the play doesn’t feel like it’s progressing. That’s an improvement over the past couple of years. But I’m very worried there is going to be a big wake-up call on Wednesday and Sunday that demonstrates there is a LOT more work to do to really be a top-3 side.
     
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  23. aveslacker

    aveslacker Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Apr 2, 2006
    Old Madras
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's good to see the typical Ajax publiek - win but complain that they weren't stylish enough - is back. I view it as an early sign that things are returning to normal. The first blossom of spring, if you will.

    But compare Ajax's position in the table to that of this time a year ago, when they were dead last and sitting on five points.

    Sure, they're not stylish and all that, but they have five times more points and they're one spot from a UCL spot with a game in hand. All of that while operating under significant financial constraints.

    I'll take it.
     
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  24. pfloyd

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    Mar 18, 2012
    Varna, Bulgaria
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    As much as I hate it I have to admit that the football we play right now is downright ugly. I am Ajax fan for 58 years now not because the club was winning points and trophies, but because of the way they played football - a true example of "o jogo bonito". Speed, technical skills, fantasy, creativity, you name they've got it. Now all this is long gone, today's starters wouldn't have been even considered for signing by Ajax back in the day. I've put up with the reality of today but still hope that we'll be back where we belong.
     
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  25. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
    I four years behind you. I saw my first live Ajax match in 1974 when I was over for a visit at the Utrecht State University Biochemistry Department. It was a home game against NAC and they won 3-0. Cruyff had already departed for Barca but Neeskens was still in the MF with Arie Haan and Arnie Muhren. Johnny Rep and Piet Keizer were up front. I've seen four more matches on various trips but nothing very recent.

    I think the Frank de Boer (manager) years were pretty dreadful.
     
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