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  1. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    There was a very good piece in The Guardian from a former referee decrying the present use of VAR. He was particularly commenting on how Hearts were truly robbed by a phantom handball call that gave Celtic life -- and eventually the title. His view, and one I subscribe to is that the rules in football are loose because they are designed to be enforced in the moment by fallible eyes. His greatest complaint is with the offside rule. The idea of the rule is the player can't get an advantage by being ahead of the next to last defender, but what is "ahead." Now it's down to millimeters and big toes which really isn't the purpose of the rule. Maybe Bartlett was "ahead" of the player by inches, but he gained no advantage from it as he actually moved away from goal to head the ball. This sort of ruler and protractor type of officiating just kills the spontaneity of the game because every goal is a conditional celebration because it has to be reviewed in slow motion, frame by frame by some dork in a building miles away from the stadium
     
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  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe it’s my age but when I saw it was sponsored by Fruitist I was like, really guys?
     
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  3. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Until the goal that wasn’t, I was gonna come in here and note that our set piece delivery is very poor.

    Weiler has to figure out how to play Baribo and Louis together in a way that supports better possession. They both seem like center forwards, neither seems like a #11, they’re both #9s.
     
  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. If you remember back to pre VAR days, attackers NEVER EVER EVER got any benefit of the doubt. Under pre VAR standards, 99% chance he’s called offside in the moment.
    2. You say this, but there are going to be plays that go the other way too.
    3. Again, going back to pre VAR days, people bitched about refs too. But in those cases, they were bitching about refs actually getting calls wrong, not them getting calls right when it’s a razor thin margin.

    MLS does VAR very very well. My only complaint is that it feels like some replay officials try to re-referee the game.

    I like it.
     
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  5. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    As for VAR always getting plays right, I offer you the VAR decided handball that benefitted DCU in the first Chicago game. Not called on the field, ball clearly going out of play and it strikes the players arm as his back is turned. VAR does re-referee the game and those calls are just as varied, and often wrong, as the ones made on the field. If VAR had existed back in the day, there is no constant talking about Nowak's offside in '98, no "Hand of God" goal, etc. The NFL tried VAR on DPI after a famously blown call in New Orleans, it lasted one season. However, because pointy ball is designed to have long breaks between action, we now get multiple metaphysical discussions of what is a "catch" through VAR. Sheesh.
     
  6. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    DC United
    Sep 5, 2000
    USA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1106 bigredfutbol, May 18, 2026
    Last edited: May 18, 2026
    For me the bigger issue is that VAR reviews suck the oxygen out of the game and interrupt the natural flow of emotions.

    When people ask "Isn't it important that we try to get every call correct" I want to reply "Nothing about watching pro sports is important; what matters is the experience not objective metrics."
     
  7. John L

    John L Member+

    Sep 20, 2003
    Alexandria, VA
    I agree. The major attraction of a game like soccer is the continuous flow of the action.
     
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  8. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    #1108 Q*bert Jones III, May 18, 2026
    Last edited: May 18, 2026
    Even the best implementation of VAR sucks manatee balls.

    Even if I was cool with VAR's existence, WHICH I ABSOLUTELY AM NOT, this is the wrong way to look at things. VAR's only valuable use is to check something that can objectively be known (or at least nearly objectively known). For example, it's clear from the replay on Saturday that Bartlett was offside by ~12 inches. Now one may quibble whether something like that should ever be called in the first place (the point of creating offsides was to reduce cherry picking, not to penalize a forward for being a few inches ahead of the defender) but if we are to follow the rules as written, it can be objectively stated that Bartlett was breaking them, even if by a minuscule amount.

    Subjective uses for VAR are almost always terrible, like 99.99% of the time. The worst of course is when a ref sees two players going for the ball and the forward falls over, does a barrel roll, flails his arms, and screams as if he was being attacked by an axe-wielding bonobo. The ref laughs and tells the forward to get the fück up and stop embarrassing himself. Then VAR calls him over to take a look and BEHOLD there may have been the slightest bit of incidental contact!!! Automatic goal.

    The problems with VAR are manifest. It breaks the rhythm, it is a force multiplier for cheating, it allows for more referee discretion in a game that has always given referees far too much discretion, it increases the likelihood of corruption, it creates a situation where different leagues play by different rules, it makes defenders follow a separate set of rules than forwards, and so on. But if they are gong to force us to use it, use it for objectively measurable incidents, not for subjective bullshit.
     
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  9. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Yep, if you want endless review of plays then watch pointy ball a once reasonably entertaining sport now ruined by television, advertisers and brain dead ********tard owners.
     
  10. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    I have only one quibble with your otherwise excellent post -- bonobos like to fcuk, it's chimpanzees that are axe wielders and we as a species are descended from chimps.
     
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  11. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    DC United
    Sep 5, 2000
    USA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honest question: Descended, or more closely related to?
     
  12. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Not descended from either of them but both are the ape we are most closely related. The common descendant of all of us was from about 7 million years ago.
     
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  13. MagpieFan

    MagpieFan Member+

    Apr 25, 2004
    Back in DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And that bit about bonobos and chimps is my 'new thing I learned for the day' for May 18, 2026.
     
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  14. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    And who says the internet fora are just intellectual wastelands?
     
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  15. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    I think this is part of why the Wenger rule should be seriously looked at (that and I just think playing the opponent offside is too easy a copout defensive technique). At least if the rule is that the whole body must be offside, and it comes down to the millimeter, everyone will agree that there was a material advantage the attacker gained.
     
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  16. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    It will still come down to absurd margins, looking across the field. All this does is change the line, not how it would be practiced or evaluated, unfortunatly.
     
  17. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only VAR i want to see is for goal line tech and semi-automated offside with zero referee screen watching. FIFA is trying to change what "playable body part means" and go back to space between the attacker and the defender so that should make the checks quicker. Another check I wouldn't be against is for serious foul play. So many tackles are considered yellows in the moment but one replay shows it should be a red.
     
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  18. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Unless its Arsenal.
     
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  19. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    But there's no way to do that, you can't go back to the 19th century. The TV replays will still show it. Best you can do is move that line to a place where the attacker is actually getting some advantage.
     
  20. tallguy

    tallguy Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    MoCoLand, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I support VAR on offsides and handball calls. Refs and linesmen are fallable. Their human fallability can result in great injustices. I'm thinking of Thierry Henry's handball that screwed Ireland (wasn't it Ireland?) and Maradona's "Hand of God."
     
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  21. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't forget the 2002 USA vs Germany game in the World Cup and the missed DOGSO red on the goal line.
     
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  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dallas deemed Frings’ arm to be in a natural position. The handling rules were different at the time. Maybe Dallas would have changed his mind after seeing the replays.
     
  23. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    But would bonobos or chimps be better at implementing VAR?
     
  24. Mountainia

    Mountainia Member+

    Jun 19, 2002
    Section 207, Row 7
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm planning on going to tomorrow's Montreal game at Audi. It should be interesting in that DC United seems to be buying into Weiler's structure and Montreal's attack is gaining competency. This really looks like a key game for the last playoff slot.

    Hope the rain stops before game time!
     
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  25. The Ghost of Hamdi Salihi

    DC United, Brighton
    Scotland
    Jan 17, 2020
    Pleasant Plains, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Rain usually helps the home team. I'll be there, but fine if it pours.
     
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