AI, as good or evil as human nature allows

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by usscouse, Apr 24, 2023.

  1. I don't think this is a good idea/application of AI.

    This is what the eruption of Mount Fuji looks like: Japanese government uses AI to warn residents
    To inform citizens about what to do when the famous volcano Mount Fuji erupts, the Japanese government has recreated an eruption with AI. The images show how a large ash cloud appears over the capital Tokyo at lightning speed
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    When credibility of video footageis threatened by fake AI video, you shouldnot do this.
     
  2. dapip

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    Happy belated skynet awareness day!!!

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  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    This guy might be overstating how much AI will do in the near future. But governments not being prepared for the human fallout is spot on.

    He said employment today provides income, structure, status, and community. If jobs vanish, societies will need to manufacture all four at scale.

    That could mean income delivered through universal dividends, daily structure provided by civic or service corps, status earned through recognized contribution systems rather than pure entertainment metrics, and community sustained by local institutions or carefully designed virtual worlds.

    "Today's societies are unprepared; absent deliberate meaning-infrastructure, abundance will degrade into addictive idleness," Yampolskiy said.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-...ai-could-cause-99-unemployment-by-2030-2025-9
     
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  4. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    I've been thinking about this a lot. Over the course of the last 25,000 years or so we've developed a society where you only get to eat if you work. What's going to happen when we have more people than jobs? Are we just going to let people starve or are we going to completely re-structure society? That's an open question.
     
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  5. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Given that AI as it is presently being developed is a weapon of class warfare, the answer is most likely, sure, why not?
     
  6. Uhm, no. Not true.
    We, as a human species developed into a social being with giving grandparents a role by tending for their grandkids and as such they kept being fed by the tribe.
    What one can say is that we in the western societies have severed that grandparents role of tending for their grandkids and created the role of grandparents as the "fun parents".
    For the situation of "more people than jobs",you don't need to speculate, as you can see that in third world countries.
     
  7. You've got to define what class warfare means.
    However if it's about haves and havenots, we got to keep in mind the haves for the majority fall into that category because of money owned, which is a construct of trust created in our society.
    Let's sink in the US$ lost about 50% of it's value against gold in recent years, which means that the true haves are the ones with tangible assets.
     
  8. dapip

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    One thing that I would like to have solid numbers on, is how many people do really needed to have a job, in any kind of society, but specially in modern productive societies. My personal observation is that a big percentage of the jobs out there are not needed, in the sense that are both superflous, and underpaid, so if people had something like UBI, or if jobs were better paid, or if they were automated, they would really mean little in terms of economic input.

    Why do I ask this? Well, I come from an underdeveloped country, and based on some statistics, apparently one of the hardest working populations in the world (more hours worked, longest working days, etc), yet it seems like poverty is still very high, and gross inidcators like GDP or median income seemmostly unaffected by traditional economic measures (tax rates, interest rates, minimum wage), and unemployment and under-employment remains very high.

    IOW, it seems paying low wages and having a lot of people hustling and bustling does not accomplish much in gross economic terms, other than distract the populace and extract wealth via the real productive activities. And it also looks like AI and automationbeing used for the same purpose, transferring knowledge and labor power from the working class to the owners of the means of production.
     
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  9. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    Microsoft and OpenAI have a non-binding agreement that allows OpenAI to change to a for-profit company.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...-for-profit-arm/ar-AA1Mnx9t?ocid=BingNewsVerp

    I've covered this before, and it's big news. OpenAI has to become a for-profit company by the end of the year to get a large amount of funding, but Microsoft held the keys and they actually stand to profit if something bad happens to OpenAI. But I guess they see larger upside in OpenAI staying its own thing.

    In a normal world there isn't enough time for a massive company like OpenAI to change from non-profit to for-profit in the few months left, but money is a good lubricant for bureaucracy and OpenAI has a bit of that.
     
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  10. dapip

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    AI at least still provides some fun:

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  11. roby

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  12. soccernutter

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    This is fun

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    The only company missing from that is Dell. I bet they feel left out.
     
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  13. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    I saw a blog post that had a link to a paywalled article, and thought about posting it here, but didn’t.

    Anyway, the post stated that 80% of the rise in the stock market this year is due to AI stocks. So that’s probably a bubble that’s going to burst.

    Circa 2005, just from my internetting, I learned that the mortgage industry was a house of cards, a certain-to-burst bubble. (What I didn’t know was how much money had been bet on those bets, thus making that bubble an existential threat to our economy.). I wonder how the recovery would have been different if a handful of Democrats had started aggressively warning that the bill was gonna come due in 2006, 2007. And I wonder if Democrats should do that now wrt AI.
     
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  14. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    It's worse than it looks because the company getting the stuff (OpenAI) increasingly doesn't have the money to pay for it, so the companies providing the stuff are paying for it in a circular fashion just to keep the bubble going. It's insanity. Either they are betting that AI is going to get essential-to-the-world useful in this spending cycle and they will recoup their money, or they don't care it's a bubble and they want to get theirs when the getting's good.
     
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  15. soccernutter

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    This could be misleading as it depends on how "AI stocks" are defined. Typically, they get defined as companies those listed in the chart, but recently this is starting to expand to companies that use AI like a lot of cloud-based companies such as ServiceNow or Salesforce or a bunch of cyberscurity stocks. Additionally, energy stocks are also getting into thrown into that pot, specifically nuclear such as $GEV, $LEU, $VST, or $CEG. How "AI stocks" gets defined is really broad.

    Looking at that top performance of the S&P 500:
    https://www.slickcharts.com/sp500/performance

    At 15 is Corning. Traditionally, they do glassware products, right? But they also do a lot of very, very high quality glass for fiber-optic cables, which are in data center that host AI. Does that mean Corning is AI or not? Depends on who you ask.

    There is a lot of comparison to the dot com bubble, specifically in terms of valuation. But it was pointed out that most of those dot com stocks were not turning a profit and that the Fed had just increased interest rates, which raised cost of debt for a lot of those companies. In this current case, yet the valuations are crazy, but interest rates are already high. The concern is that things might be becoming circular. It was pointed out that Nvidia invested in OpenAI, supplies hardware to Coreweave, Coreweave hosts OpenAI data centers, and gets money from Nvidia. That chart above is a good example of how circular it is. And IBM just jumped into the game with an agreement with Anthropic announced this morning.
     
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  16. Dr. Wankler

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    They should, but they won't. It's their donor class that is inflating that bubble with deluded dreams of (even greater) wealth. And it's those same donors who will likely get bailed out, again, after the bubble bursts.
     
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  17. superdave

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    This is the kind of thing AOC should be doing. It’s playing the long game, both personally and ideologically. And she’s young enough to play the long game.
     
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  18. dapip

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    I've been reading a lot about the AI market link of lately, and to me it has all the elements of a bubble that is about to burst.

    1. Lot of new startups with unclear models or products
    2. Big players buying a lot of computing power just not to be outplayed.
    3. Unclear or non existing benefits when new AI models are released.
    4. Companies borrowing money with no clear or corresponding income stream.

    But it is also unclear how much damage will it do to the market, since it is concentrated on a few companies (IIRC 41 companies now make like 50% of the S&P 500); I don't mean to say that when they crash they will not depress the whole market, but at the same time, being just a few stocks, how much correction will be needed from the unrelated stocks, which haven't been doing very well anyways.

    Finally, it seems like other sectors, like hospitality, housing and cars are in or almost in recession, and with no clear timeline for the shutdown to end, we might be facing the "perfect storm" by the end of the year.
     
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  19. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
    Expensive Deloitte report is full of nonsense due to AI, Australian government gets money back
    A painful blunder for the well-known consultancy firm Deloitte. A lecturer discovered that a report, drawn up at the request of the Australian government, was teeming with errors and non-existent sources. The authors seem to have relied too much on AI.

    Tech editors 9 October 2025, 06:00Last update: 08:35
    In Australian media, the news is widely reported. Deloitte has returned part of the compensation (converted 290,000 euros) to the client.
     
  20. Paul Berry

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    Deloitte uses Azure to create AU$440k government report.

     
  21. Most of those big advice bureaus reports are fake already before AI. Boards use them as support for decisions they want to push down the throats of parties involved in decision making and so these reports for a huge amount of money conveniently are in line with what management/boards have in mind.
    These Big Four firms are simply a white collar criminal conspiracy bunch.
     
  22. superdave

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  23. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    Have y'all heard about the Sora app? Punch in a few keywords and out pops a video. I am struggling to imagine a scenario where this doesn't end with a bunch of useless boiled brains, figuratively for sure and maybe literally too.
     
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  24. What happens if you punch in trump golden shower:cautious:?
     

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