5 MLS Cups in 6 appearances in the finals. I think he has been to every MLS Cup except for two: last year's, plus the one in his final year with DC United (the year that KC beat Chicago). Not bad. You can also add 1 us Open Cup with DC United, the CONCACAF Champions Cup and the InterAmerican Cup. Am I missing something? Not sure if he has won any other silverware with San Jose. I can pretty safely guess that nobody has won more Cups in the MLS than he.
No way.....Agoos has been one of the top defenders in this league (LEAGUE....no annoying WC Comments) since its inception......he is NOT a role player who happens to be on the right team at the right time...
Agoos This is exactly why I respect Jeff Agoos. He has a lot of experience and NEVER pretends to be better than he is. He understands that he is not perfect and has had to rebound from some humiliating situations. He is a very good defender at the MLS level. He knew he had a chance to be on the world cup squad during qualification and never suggested he was a sure thing. In fact he had an "if i work hard maybe it will happen for me attitude." Personally I don't think that Jeff was worthy of a starting defender role, but I think the difference between him and the next option was his attitude and personality. I have long said that one day Agoos will be a wonderful coach. Players respect what he has done, and they will respect him because he can relate to them in terms of experience both on the level of success and hardship. He will definatly be an MLS coach one day and I would not be suprised if he wound up being one of Arena's assistants for 2006. We already know that arena likes him and with Dave in Chitown, I think that makes sense. Especially if goose retires after next year. If I were goose, that might be my option, because I would question my participation with the MNT as a player for 2006.
To me, there are three reasons for the success of the Quakes in the last three seasons: Yallop, Donovan, and Agoos. Jeff came to a club needing leadership (Doyle had just retired), a winning attitude, and strong central defending. He brought all and delivered on all. He would be the first one to tell you that he has been in the right place at the right time, but Jeff made it happen. He is a catylist and an excellent role model for the Quakes younger players. Pure class. I hope Jeff will be a player/assistant coach next year for the Quakes. Retire, then continue as an assistant with the Quakes. Thanks Jeff!
OK, so Agoos has a better standing in his league, but MLS is no NBA. Therefore, this “good but limited” tag is still correct. He’s slow and severely restricted to playing with his left foot. He didn’t do so well in Europe, let alone in WC. That's why on a good team in MLS is the best situation for him.
I'm not going to speak to Agoos earlier in his career with DC, but Agoos is definitely Steve Kerr for the Quakes now. a pretty solid player at the club level who does something shining every once in a while (a la the free kick vs. the Galaxy ............ compare to Steve Kerr in game 5 or was it 6 against the Mavs last year). Don't get me wrong, because i respect his effort and his hustle. He always gives you 100%, unlike many other guys. but let's not get crazy with what he is right now. a role player. steve kerr, david robinson in his final year, robert horry, etc. take your pick.
Except that Agoos's roles with D.C. and San Jose have been so radically different than Kerr's role in Chicago. A better comparison would be Scottie Pippen to Michael Jordan (although that may in fact be underplaying Agoos's role). Kerr happened to be on a good team and made the most of his opportunities; Agoos has anchored the defenses of 5 of 8 mls champions. He may be 'good but limited' on the world stage, but he's been a great player in MLS. Steve Kerr in his best year didn't rival Agoos in his worst.
If you were going to create and all-time MLS XI for the eight years of the league's existence, Agoos would be on the squad. He's hardly been a "role player" he's an indispensable piece of five championship teams.
Seriously, in a 442 set up....from inception...who are the four you take ahead of him? I would think goose would HAVE to be there...
this is all opinion...and it wouldn't be a 442, MLS best IX usually uses a 352 or 343...but who cares.. Pope, Kubik, Doyle, Llamosa, Bocanegra, Fraser just to name a few i'de take over agoos...
Some competition Jesse Marsch, with: 3 MLS Cups twice runner up 4 times Open Cup winner and, Supporter's Shield winner either 3 or 4 times, depending on how you count it (in 2001 Chicago and Miami tied atop the board on points with Miami at +21 goal differential while Chicago was +20)
Miami won the 2001 Supporters Shield no matter how you count it... the way people are going on and on about agoos and his cups, even saying all time best IX, i'm glad you brought up Jesse, should he also be alltime best IX??? hah, i'm joking, but still, agoos is a hack, a diving defender, slow, has been beat for goals since 96, used to have a ponytail and is just annoying to watch, MLS Cup 97 end of the game he wouldn't give the ball up and put his head into the chest of patino and it looked stupid and was stupid...
Not if I count it only by who had the most points and accept co-holders for the Supporter's Shield. See, I consider Miami the winner, and most everyone else does too, but when you say "no matter how you count it," well then you're just wrong, because it does make a difference how you count it.
No, it doesn't matter because its OFFICIAL, was official in 2001, still is now...Miami 2001 Supporters Shield Winners...
Yeah but what if the Union of Non-Aligned MLS Supporters (UNAMLSS) counts only by points and awards their own Supporter's Shields to both Miami and Chicago, but given that Miami no longer exists should we just give it to Chicago? Who knows, who cares as the Supporter's Shield is ethereal, an ideal, representing the will of the masses. Not some hunk of metal that you no doubt consider precious, but I consider enslaving, man. And as spokesman for UNAMLSS I would ask how you can claim to have an OFFICIAL Supporter's Shield when the very concept of the supporter's shield is to provide an alternative to the disputed "championship" trophy handed out by THE MAN. We're all tired of THE MAN running everything and having to place the imprimatur of THE MAN on anything OFFICIAL. Your insistence on an OFFICIAL winner smacks of elitism and illustrates just how far the supposed Supporter's Shield has strayed from it's democratic origins. The voice of the people cannot be denied! Chicago as co-champs in '01! Jesse Marsch as the greatest player in MLS history! Long live UNAMLSS!
Maybe, but Steve Kerr was never a leader for any of his teams, nor was Robert Horry. A better comparison would be to David Robinson. However, in 2001, he was the Defender of the Year. He is the Quakes team captain. Jeff provides many intangibles to a team. No one say the Quakes have the best talent in the league, but they have the best team. People need to overlook the fact that good, even great, players make mistakes in important games (see Boca, Thortan, and Razov). Agoos has made his share this season and for our national team. Although I'm a huge fan of Jeff's at the club level, I didn't believe Jeff should have been playing in WC 2002 because of injuries (calf problems in the spring) and form (hadn't been playing well in the first part of the year).
Actually, it might be a bit of an insult to Jeff "I-put-my-ass-on-the-line-for-my-team-everytime" Agoos to compare him to Scottie "I'll-let-my-team-down-because-I'm-jealous-that-Toni-Kukoc-gets-to-take-the-final-shot-and-I-don't-so-I'll-sit-out" Pippen. Pippen did not win anything without Jordan and did not prove to be any sort of team leader. Sure Agoos has made his share of mistakes, but the man has proven to be a great leader on the field, and has constantly bounced back from his own failures.
Can't understand why there is a question mark on this thread title. If you can name one player who has won more then this: 5 MLS Cups 1 US Open Cup 1 CONCACAF Champions Cup 1 InterAmerican Cup then he'll be the new winningest MLS player. Until then, there is no question. Love him or hate him, Agoos has got the rings.
Yeah, Agoos ain't the fastest, and that's why he really couldn't compete at the international level. But how many other players get as much out of their innate talent as the Goose? To me, a great role model for kids. Work hard, be a student of the game, comport yourself with dignity and humility, commit to the team, etc. Not a bad resume. Jeff, whatever you decide to do, and I do hope you coach, I raise my glass to you.
I'm a Goose fan and loudly cheer him. But for all the respect he's earned, he is extremely lucky to not have received a multi-game ban for that despicable kick to the groin on Moreno laying on the ground in the LA-SJ game. The ref and assistants missed it. But it was clearly shown on the game tape and MLS officials should have taken some action.
I thought I was the only one who noticed Agoos got "one for the thumb" this year. They didn't even mention it during the broadcast of the game. It is an accomplishment and not a fluke because he's been on the field earning those rings. Faria has a Rookie of the Year award and a championship ring now. I'd have never thought that when I first saw him play in 2001.