AFCON Discussion

Discussion in 'Referee' started by JasonMa, Dec 29, 2025.

  1. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
  2. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    In my opinion the biggest problem with this performance (besides the cast-iron handball penalty not given! :ROFLMAO:) was disciplinary control, particularly in terms of balancing the sanctions given.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That penalty wasn't awarded? Oh my.
     
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  5. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    Maybe it was deemed outside the penalty area? Or not provably inside the penalty area?
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're reaching. First, that wouldn't excuse the AR missing the handball; we far too often forget, I feel like, that the officials are still there on the field and expected to make calls. If this was outside the area, then that makes the miss almost even worse, because it can't be corrected.

    But, 0:52 shows that both his feet are on the line and his arm is behind him. There's no physical way possible that this was outside the area. That angle is at distance, but it's proof enough. The only part of his body that might be outside the area is his right hand and this hit his left hand, which is the one part of the his body that is likely furthest into the area.
     
  7. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    The time spent checking the situation by the VAR, Pierre Atcho from Gabon, would strongly suggest that this was not the case at all (especially in this tournament where checks take forever).

    Algeria's behaviour after the final whistle was quite disgraceful, by the way:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/DTV75hxDFG6
    https://www.instagram.com/p/DTV1V1MiFZp
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So apparently the ball struck the thigh and played it up into the arm. Another video shows it clearly. Huh.

    Per IFAB instruction, I guess the outcome is correct. But man, when you have your arm out like that and a cross hits it… have I said how I hate that this instruction is interpreted as though it supersedes the actual Law text?
     
  9. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Disgraceful stuff indeed. Algeria always seem to be sore losers, I recall bad scenes when they lost their 2022 WCQ playoff as well. They’re right up there with the world class sore losers like Portugal and Uruguay.

    I also find it interesting that Sy was evidently reaching for a red card at the start of this scene and then decided not to pull it out. I think it is sensible in these situations, where referee safety is a concern, that a red card should not need to be physically shown in order to be issued by the referee; it should be official in the post-game report anyways.
     
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will say that I felt like he could have defused things a bit at the end. There were 6 minutes of stoppage and I don't remember any significant delays, but at almost 97 there was a scuffle on the sideline that he came over and showed a yellow for, and then still played another minute and a half. This was a 2-0 game where Algeria had nothing and by stoppage time were barely trying. There was no good reason I could see not to call the game at 96 or at least once that scuffle was dealt with. Instead there was another minute and a half of frustration played out.
     
  11. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I didn’t watch enough to keep track of how much time was lost in added time, but “2 goal lead and the losing team were barely trying” isn’t a good reason to truncate the time, especially in the quarterfinal of a professional competition. Crazier comebacks have happened.
     
  12. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But its a good reason to say "I can call this now rather than wait the wait for the goalkeeper for the leading team to waste time and then take the goal kick where I'll blow for full time while its in the air", which is something that happened. Of "a scuffle broke out at 97 of 6 minutes of extra time with no real stoppages during it, why would I add on the time wasted in the scuffle and giving the card?".
     
  13. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    Oh, I'm absolutely reaching, hence why I took the time to format the word "maybe" in italics. I had not seen the glancing contact off the thigh, so I was trying to find some explanation for why the crew would have gone "no penalty" other than making a simple mistake.

    You have! I have also complained about this to friends, and I was mad about it for the whole first week after I received the instruction at a USYS event.
     
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  14. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    This seems one of those cases, and I’m sure we could make a list, where “something to consider” instead becomes a black letter rule. Perhaps driven At least in part by the ongoing influence of replay and the desire to make things black and white. In so many ways ITOOTR is gone from the game.
     
  15. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone else watching the final? Certainly some interesting stuff going on in the last 10 minutes
     
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  16. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Nothing good ever happens after 90 minutes
     
  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kind of wishing I hadn't moved over to the NFL
     
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  18. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    112+ minute and counting

    I think Senegal has walked off the pitch twice
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The penalty was saved and it was one of the weakest, easily saved, penalties I've ever seen at this level. A weak panenka right at the keeper.

     
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  20. HoustonRef

    HoustonRef Member

    May 23, 2009
    And the PK goes straight to the keeper! Extra time.
     
  21. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    The scenes at the OFR are absolutely farcical. I’m not exaggerating when I say there were close to 100 people in a huddle around the monitor. It looked like something you’d see in a comedy sketch more than a serious international tournament. And of course there are no consequences to this behavior, just a small number of yellow cards to the players on the pitch.

    About the decisions itself, I thought the disallowed Senegal goal was a clear foul, but the penalty is quite soft. The question I always ask is, if the attacker didn’t throw himself to the ground, or at least allow himself to fall so easily, would anyone think this is a penalty? Clearly not.

    I was fairly impressed by how the referee Ndala stayed always very calm during these quite chaotic scenes (with absolutely no help from CAF), and his performance on the field in extra time was good, especially considering the chaos he came out of. As far as negatives, his body language and signals were confusing and did not exude confidence (holding whistle at mouth, sometimes calling a foul with a half hearted signal or no signal at all, etc.), and I did think it was quite bizarre that regular time ended right after the penalty kick, as there were still some minutes still to play. It gives the impression of a referee being influenced by the chaotic scenes, i.e. not continuing in a normal way as if the chaos had never happened, which is a bad image.
     
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  22. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Were any cautions given for the team leaving the pitch and delaying the PK?
     
  23. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    One for the foul (#25), one for dissent immediately after the OFR (#18) and one to the goalkeeper near the end of the fracas after the teams had returned to the field, almost when the penalty was going to be taken. Nine others listed in the match report

    On one hand I feel like it’s hard to be mad about it, because how are the referees supposed to figure out who to book in a situation like that? But on the other hand, that is exactly why these lawless scenes are allowed to happen: there are seldom any consequences for poor behavior in modern football.
     
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  24. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020






    Crazy scenes that emphasize the lack of civil behavior and sportsmanship in CAF. On one hand, it’s very disappointing, but at least security was dealing with it to protect the pitch. But this shouldn’t be necessary to begin with.
     
  25. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    What are the protocols for a situation like this?

    If team A leaves the pitch to protest a call, why isn't the match immediately forfeited to team B? Team A has effectively abandoned the match....

    And who has the authority to make such a decision....the CR.....or some other official?

    From what I've read, it seems unclear whether or not Senegal left the pitch to protest the call, or for safety reasons. Did Morocco also leave the pitch?
     

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