AFC WCQ Round 3 Group A

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  1. Bluewings21

    Bluewings21 Member

    Suwon Samsung Bluewings
    Apr 26, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I will book my ticket for the Korea-Iran match at Seoul scheduled on the late next month.
     
  2. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    #127 Kamtedrejt, Feb 1, 2022
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2022
    So there will be some attendance. How many K?
     
  3. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    I respect if you have a different opinion but I make out of the group winner of Group A the best Asian team.
     
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  4. Bluewings21

    Bluewings21 Member

    Suwon Samsung Bluewings
    Apr 26, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Considering increasing trend of Omicron variant positive cases, we may have limited number of attendance.
     
  5. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    My view is as follows:
    1- Iran has the most technically skilled side in the AFC, and the side that is physically (along with Australia) the strongest.
    2- South Korea, under Bento, have often been the best pressing side in Asia. And appear the best side tactically. But they do tend to fade when they have the lead.
    3- Japan are the most difficult team to play in Asia when they have the lead, although Iran is a close second. And Japan are still probably the most composed side in the AFC.
    4- Australia are a very competitive side that, while not good enough to be counted among the top 3, can defeat any of them as often as it may lose to them.
    5- Saudi Arabia is right now a slightly more lethal, and now better managed (with all due respect to Bert van Marwick), version of the UAE: it thrives on keeping possession through rehearsed plays, but while more opportunistic and lethal than the UAE, it doesn't have all the necessary creativity, confidence, and experience, to do as much with the ball as they should. Nonetheless, within the AFC, they have advantages that make them a side I like Iran to avoid like the plague.
     
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  6. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I would have us below the Saudis at this point. Right now I'm not sure if we are at the bottom of the first tier or the top of the second tier. We are pretty much the football equivalent of what cricket fans call flat track bullies. Able to pile on the score when conditions are benign and the opposition a little bit weaker, but found wanting when conditions are a bit harder and the opposition puts a bit of pressure on us.
     
  7. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Australia is definitely a top tier team in the AFC. And I rate Australia above Saudi Arabia overall, although no team in Asia (not Iran, not S. Korea, not Japan etc) can be assured of beating them.

    Besides, all teams, like all players, have their ups and downs. And different teams match up differently against the same opponents. The overall results, however, are IMO captured and summarized roughly accurately by the ranking formula used by FIFA. Our eyes may sometimes tell us those rankings are off, but that is often because we are too focused on the last match or tournament we have seen. But there is a reason Saudi Arabia's ranking is worse than Australia, despite all the points they had earned in these qualifiers: overall, Australia have better results.
     
  8. Kamran

    Kamran Member

    Nov 19, 2004
    Melbourne - AUS
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Australia has a clear coaching problem. The current technical team is either incompetent or arrogant or both. They don’t seem to have studied opposition, have no respect for team shapes. I watched the Vietnam game in the stadium and it was shocking! Even though results was OK!
     
  9. Philipp Morgenstern

    Manchester United
    Australia
    Oct 30, 2021
    where will the AFC fourth round be and what day?
     
  10. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Venue to be determined and the date is sometime in late May or early June.
     
  11. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    The ethics committee of the IFF has suspended Iran's top central defender, Hossein Kanani for the 2 matches against S.Korea and Lebanon and levied a fine against him. Besides Kanani, at least two other starters will miss the S.Korea clash: Sadegh Mohrami, Iran's right fullback. who earned a red card against the UAE, and Iran's defensive midfielder, Saeed Ezatlolahi who picked up his 2nd yellow card in that same game.
     
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  12. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Things like this is why I am glad the Spanish and not the British colonized us. (Mexico)
     
  13. AIL1998

    AIL1998 Member+

    May 27, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The squad is expected to be announced this Friday. I prefer to not see the following players in the list at least this time: Kaveh Rezaei (Injured and most likely will not be called up), Ansarifard, and Hajsafi.

    I would like to see the following players in the list: Danial Esmaeilifar, Mehdi Mehdipour, and Rouzbeh Cheshmi.

    My preferred starting lineup (4-3-1-2): Abedzadeh, Esmaeilifar, Khalilzadeh, Cheshmi, Noorafkan, Mehdipour, Nourollahi, Amiri, Jahanbakhsh, Taremi, Azmoun

    What I think the lineup will be: Abedzadeh, Mohammadi, Khalilzadeh, Hosseini, Noorafkan, Nourollahi, Hajsafi, Amiri, Jahanbakhsh, Taremi, Azmoun

    I think Gholizadeh will be used as a sub this time although I do not mind seeing him in the starting lineup.

    Moharrami and Ezatollahi miss the next game due to suspension. kanaanizadegan missed the next two games.
     
  14. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    You are missing out on the experience like I had last night of staying up until nearly midnight to watch a game that took 5 days end up without a result as time expired with Pakistan 7/443 chasing 506 to win. Pakistan seemed much happier with the draw than Australia did.
     
  15. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    While Kanani is suspended for the next 2 games by Iran, there is an appeal supported by Iran's coach to have the suspension overturned or at least postponed. We have to see if his name is announced as part of the squad and if his suspension may be overturned. We will need him against S.Korea and neither of the central defenders you have in your lineup inspire any confidence.

    The good news is Majid Hosseini's recent injury turned out not to be that bad. He was able to play the full 90 minutes for his Turkish club a few days ago. Under the circumstances I'm pretty sure he will start for Iran if Kanani remains suspended.

    I doubt Daniel Esmailifar will start against S.Korea! Unlike Esmailifar, Hardani at least has 1 or 2 caps as a substitute for Mohrami, including when he Moharami was red-carded against UAE. Iran's best choice as RB to fill in for Moharami, however, would be a player Skocic has said he won't invite in the past, namely veteran Ramin Rezaian.

    I'm also hoping another WC18 veteran, Omid Ebrahimi (who is doing very well in Qatar) is also invited to help fill the gap in midfield caused by Saeed Ezatollahi's suspension.

    Beyond that, I agree with you on Kaveh Rezaie and Haj Safi but not Ansarifard. On the other hand, the younger/newer players in Iran right now that I like to see be given a chance are Esteghlal's Hosseinzadeh, Mehdipour along with Jafar Salmani. Add Sepahan's Yasin Salmani and Esteghlal's Hardani, these pretty much are the only younger/or new players with potential IMO. Sepahan's Daniel Esmailifar is average (MR Hosseini of Sepahan to me could play deeper and do better than Esmailifar), while Roosbeh Cheshmi would strictly be a total emergency option for now.
     
  16. AIL1998

    AIL1998 Member+

    May 27, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ramin Rezaeian! I am glad he is not in the team anymore. Hardani needs to improve defensively. Esmaeilifar has been the best right back of the league so far. He can also play as RW. Mayeli Kohan said Moharrami is good but he prefers Esmaeilifar over all options for the RB at the moment. IMO he deserves a chance.

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    Magiran | روزنامه ایران (1400/04/15): محمد مایلی کهن در گفت و گو با «ایران» مطرح کرد : می گویند پول شام و ناهار نداریم، مگر یک فوتبالیست چقدر باید غذا بخورد؟

    Khalilzadeh, Cheshmi, and Hosseini are the best option for CB at the moment with absence of Kanaanizadegan. We need to start trying new options for some positions. That is why I put Esmaeilifar and Mehdipour in my preferred starting lineup. Ebrahimi deserves to be in the squad based on the performance but I prefer to give that chance to a younger player like Mehdipour, Sarlak, Yasin Salmani, etc. Ansarifard has not done anything especial to be in the squad.
     
  17. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I wouldn't experiment with a side with as many totally uncapped players against S. Korea in Korea. That may even hurt the future prospects of promising players, as these players are more likely to be nervous and make mistakes if they aren't slowly integrated into the team. This is particularly true of players who have never played outside of Iran, not even at the club level (e.g.,in the AFC CL).

    In any case, my depth chart for the RB post for Iran would be as follow if everyone is healthy/available:
    1- S. Moharami 1- R. Rezaian 3- S. Hardani 4-V Ghafouri 5- J Salmani- 6- D. Esmaiiifar
    For Central defenders:
    1- Kanani 2- Majid Hosseini 3- M. Pouraliganji* 4- S. Khalilzadeh 5- S. Yazdani 6- O. Noorafkan (out of position) 7- R. Cheshmi 8- Khanzadeh
    For D-mids and c-mids:
    1- S. Ezatollahi 2- A. Noorollahi 3- O. Ebrahimi 4- A Karimi* 5- Mehdipour 6- Y Salmani 7- Sarlak 8- Kamiabinia
     
  18. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #143 Iranian Monitor, Mar 18, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2022
    Kanani's suspension has reported been lifted and he is one of 28 players called up for our next 2 games. The list includes both Moharrami and Ezatollahi despite both being ineligible due to red/yellow cards. The main surprise to me was the fact that Skocic didn't call S Hardani, despite Hardani's excellent defensive and offensive showing in the Persepolis-Esteghlal Derby.

    The 28-players who have been called up:
    Goalkeepers:
    1- A. Beiranvand (Boavista, Portugal)
    2- A. Abedzadeh (Ponferradina, Spain Liga 2)
    3- S.H. Hosseini (Esteghlal FC, Iran)
    Defenders:
    4- H. Kanani, (Al Ahli, Qatar)
    5- S. Khalilzadeh (Al Rayyan, Qatar)
    6- O. Noorafkan (Sepahan, Iran)
    7- M. Hosseini (Kayserispor, Turkey)
    8-- S. Maharami* (Dinamo Zagreb, Croatia)
    9- M. Mohammadi (AEK Athens, Greece)
    10- D. Esmailifar (Sepahan, Iran)
    11- F. Faragi (Perspolis FC, Iran)
    12- A. Gholami (Esteghlal FC, Iran)
    Midfielders:
    13- A. Noorollahi (Shabab, UAE)
    14- S. Ezatollahi*, (Al Gharafa, Qatar)
    15- E. Haj Safi (AEK Athens, Greece)
    16- M. Sarlak, (Perspolis FC, Iran)
    17- K. Kamyabinia (Perspolis FC, Iran)
    18- M. Mehdipour (Esteghlal FC, Iran)
    Wingers:
    19- S. Ghdoos, (Brentford, England)
    20- A. Gholizadeh, (Charleroi, Belgium)
    21- V. Amiri (Perspolis FC, Iran)
    22- A.R. Jahanbakhsh (Feyernood, Holland)
    23- A.H Hosseinzadeh (Esteghlal FC, Iran)
    24- M. Torabi, (Perspolis FC, Iran)
    Forwards
    25- M. Taremi (Porto FC, Portugal)
    26- S. Azmoun (Bayer Leverkusen, Germany)
    27- K. Ansarifard (AEK Athens, Greece)
    28- A. Sayyadmanesh ( Hull City, England 2)

    *ineligible against S.Korea
     
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  19. AIL1998

    AIL1998 Member+

    May 27, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I replace Cheshmi with Kanaanizadegan now.

    Jafar Salmani as a right back does not work. At the moment, IMO he is not national team material.

    I personally would have invited someone like Rouzbeh Cheshmi instead of Farshad Faraji. Other than that, I am fine with the list.
     
  20. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I'm pretty sure Skocic will have Vahid Amiri move to the RB position against S. Korea. He is not going to task an uncapped player with responsibility to cover S. Korea's best player, Son. The probable lineup will be:
    Abedzadeh (/or Beiranvand) --- Amiri, Kanani, Khalilzadeh, Noorafkan -----Noorollahi, Sarlak, Jahanbakhsh, Haj Safi ,--
    Azmoun, Taremi
     
  21. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    The failure to invite Hardani is inexplicable. The RB position which Skocic wants to reserve for S. Moharami at all cost, making sure no player who can potentially challenge him, first Rezaian now Hardani, is the one area that Skocic has opened himself to legitimate criticism. It is not polite to mention this, but Skocic has a conflict of interest when it comes to Moharami (who deserves being on the team but doesn't deserve having no competition. even when suspended). In any case, this is a good prodcast on the upcoming game, including on the inexplicable failure to invite Hardani.
     
  22. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    #147 Kamtedrejt, Mar 19, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2022
    I stated several times that I'm impressed by both South Korea and Iran and that I could see them making it to the knockout stage in Qatar if they get a manageable draw.

    I want to see if this match can lift up to my expectations.

    Iran's backline looked at times suspect to me in the first encounter. It will be interesting to see how they will handle South Korea's high press in an away game.

    I think there's a good chance we might again see goals on both ends.
     
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  23. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #148 Iranian Monitor, Mar 20, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2022
    Some very bad news from Iran's camp makes me worried: Taremi, Jahanbakhsh along with Ghodoos have tested positive for Covid and it doesn't appear they will be able to join the team in Korea. We were already missing Ezatollahi in midfield and Mohrami, our right fullback, but the absence of Taremi in particular will be very damaging.
     
  24. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    With all these missing players, I hope Skocic would immediately call up some players he should have invited (Hardani, Omid Ebrahimi along with Ramin Rezaian -- although fat chance of the latter being invited) and one who can now get a chance (either Mohebi or Alipour, both of whom play in Portugal making it perhaps harder to call them up on short notice?). He might also need to invite Ghaedi.

    Anyway I have to wait and see who is finally cleared to play for Iran and possible new call ups, but for now if there is a new face in Iran's team I like to see given a chance even in Seoul against S. Korea, it would be Esteghlal's Hosseinzadeh. He is a winger, offensive midfielder and can also play withdrawn forward and if Iran is left without any of Taremi, Jahanbakhsh, or Ghodoos, and with the other absences, Hosseinzadeh (and Mehdipour in midfield) might get a chance.
     
  25. teammellieIRANfan

    Feb 28, 2009
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Damn abscense of Jahanbaksh and Taremi will hamstring our offence.
    And with Ezatollahi suspended this match, our defensive midfield will take a dive too. I predict Iran will park the bus in Seoul. Hopefully we can get away with a draw. Although for Iran to have a chance of getting a good seed in the World Cup draw, a win in Seoul is pretty much obligatory.
     
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