Adu to DC brings up another dead horse.

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by Chamo, Nov 19, 2003.

  1. Chamo

    Chamo New Member

    Aug 9, 1999
    Plano,TX
    1. MLS signs their version of LeBron James.
    2. MLS makes headlines across the country in outlets that rarely acknowledge the existance of the league.
    3. MLS comes makes the radar of international soccer media.
    4. MLS is ashamed of the Dallas Burn nickname/logo/brand and make sure that their most marketable signing in years is in a "respectable" kit with a proper soccer name.

    I am not advocating a name change. However, if the marketing of Adu and MLS came was part of the equation, then HSG must seriously consider rebranding the team.
     
  2. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This is BS in my book. He didn't come to Dallas becuase his mama didn't want him to leave DC. But as I said in another post, if he's not ready to move cities and has to be with his mama then he isn't ready for the pros, MLS shouldn't have to bend the rules to sign a 14 year old, I don't care what he's going to be one day.
     
  3. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has nothing to do with Dallas. NY could have been the worse team with the #1 draft pick and they would still have had to trade it to DC. And don't think you got shortchanged, you got a major player allocation.
     
  4. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    You're right that Adu's family location is the reason DC will get him from MLS HQ.

    But since there are no real youth programs or teams in place for MLS clubs, it pretty much has to sign this 14-year-old to the project-40 program.

    Now that he's with the league, you should very much care what he will become some day.
     
  5. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And do you really think you can afford Adu. Hes the highest paid player in MLS, making over 280,000.
     
  6. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Adu was going to DC even if they were called the DC Clash and we were called the Dallas Red Devils or the Dallas Athletic Football Club or whatever.

    But - I'm up for a new logo anytime. And to be honest, I will be disappointed if the logo doesn't change with the move to Frisco.

    The logo should be something more resembling a traditional soccer badge (something cool I can get tatooed on me, for example) and look less like something more suited for the side of a football helmet.

    In fact, all reference to fire-breathing animals should be removed and never spoken of again.
     
  7. red&black1

    red&black1 New Member

    Mar 8, 2003
    Kearny NJ
    Can u believe this?? The most wanted soccer prodigy in the world signs with MLS so that he can stay close to his family and some people still have a probelm with it... every fan of MLS should be ecstatic.
     
  8. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its not that we're not happy Adu is with MLS.

    It is that the rights to Adu were ours and we would like some sort of equitable compensation.
     
  9. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. Rename the team. AEK Dallas. Or Lokamotiv Frisco Yeti Sasquatch.
     
  10. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Adu to DC brings up another dead horse.

    Anyone know why Mrs. Adu is so tied down to DC? The last I read, she was working as a cashier for Home Depot so its not as though her job is keeping her there.

    So unless relatives are keeping the Adus tied to DC, why not have HSG (or perhaps some die-hard Burn fan with a small business) offer Mrs Adu a job down here in Dallas.

    We're friendly and our weather's more Ghana-like than DC's. Dallas would make for a fine home for Freddy & company.
     
  11. Texan

    Texan New Member

    Jan 8, 2001
    I'm a fan of Dallas first and MLS second, hence why I'm not jumping for joy. And I'm really sick of all this be happy for the good of the league BS because it always comes at our expense. F the good of the league. I think the MLS would be better served if everybody was a bit more partisan towards their own team.
     
  12. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    The product on the field, along with the proper coach, is paramount. BUT, the return of Jason Kreis and the statuses of ROB and Toni - might change the complexion of the whole Burn offense.

    These facts, along with the current fiasco of allocations, leave the organization in major turmoil.

    Quite frankly, the proposition of having Kreis taking half the season to get back into form, leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth to begin with. Any allocation that involves pairing at the forward position with Jason leaves alot to be desired from a chemistry aspect. No matter how 'good' a forward allocation is, he's not going to shine without a healthy, contributing Kreis. And that fact doesn't leave alot of room for success going into Frisco, let alone the fact that Jason may not be playing come 2005 - which will leave even MORE questions to be answered.

    There's too much flux right now. Elliot needs to get some definitive answers as to who the major players are that WILL be in place for 2004 first. I can't see anymore guesswork going beyond establishing this much needed, solidified foundation.
     
  13. mustang

    mustang New Member

    May 25, 2001
    "4. MLS is ashamed of the Dallas Burn nickname/logo/brand and make sure that their most marketable signing in years is in a "respectable" kit with a proper soccer name."

    ....and I want to respond to this, but my head is still reeling from what someone must have not been thinking to even post this.......
     
  14. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Actually, he'll be a P-40 player, so his salary won't be against the cap. His salary will likely be paid by deals with Nike and various business, similar to how Bo and Hernandez were paid for.
     
  15. FootyMundo

    FootyMundo New Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Minneapolis
    Re: Re: Adu to DC brings up another dead horse.

    I'm sure if your roles were reversed - say if Adu was from Dallas and would ONLY play for Dallas - you'd be singing a different tune. Of course, it may well be that your team comes out ahead in all of this. They now get a free shot at a proven player.
     
  16. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Arsenal
    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    <sarcasm>
    *throws a party*
    Yey! Adu is coming to the MLS where the league which only a step above the latin leagues. I don't know to do! I'm about to piss in my pants on this. Please tell me I am dreaming.
    </sarcasm>

    I would have rather end up at Leeds United with a bunch of thugs than come to the MLS and screw things up. This kid is in for a living hell when he comes to Dallas...if he makes the travel squad!
     
  17. chazsoccer

    chazsoccer Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Republic of Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chamo - still bitter about 2003?

    Dude, I am shocked you would make such a loaded statement with out backing it up. So SOURCES ??? If you are just projecting your own personal opinion - fine - but don't say "MLS is ashamed" unles you have proof - that's how rumors and bad chants from fahr fans get started!

    Islamico! The Most Magnificent Mascot in MLS!

    The horse (red pegasus) is a symbol of Dallas - has been for decades, The Burn logo is a modified version with Hot, BURNing fire-breathing addition. I think B U R N is a fine name with a brand identity to build from. Year 9 coming up - why change something that is working? [That's what got us in the Sucklack mess - unneccessary change for the sake of change].

    my 2 pesos
     
  18. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Adu to DC brings up another dead horse.

    Let me guess -- it was your 10 year old kid who designed the Burn's logo. Am I right? ;)
     
  19. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Arsenal
    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    use the Inferno's crest! At least it looks respectable.
     
  20. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Yes, the inferno crest would be an improvement. Any artists out there who could draw a proposal for a new crest or shield based logo? I definitely like the horse theme.
     
  21. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    Bruce Arena

    It's funny how many promising Nat. team youngsters end up initially playing for DC. Just a couple of weeks ago, Rimando goes down a viola, a sudden gift from the Nat. team again. As to the proximity thing, funny how it is ok for these "Spartan" athletes to move to Bradenton, FL. However, when they are older and try to play in MLS every one is concerned about these "baby" athletes and mama.

    How come the proximity principle never applies to promising DFW youngsters? If it were, the kid that went to England from Club Solar, Nunez, and Bocanegra would all have been Burn players.

    The only one who misses these babies enough to count is uncle Bruce. Maybe he has a Michael Jackson type mansion where they can all spend quality time together.

    We are getting drilled by the MLS screwdriver. Every one of our picks has now been diluted by one. I'll bet the league thinks that throwing us a bone like Ernie Stewart, and a couple of trinkets will do the trick.

    We are about to get cheated big time, and we do not yet have a soccer guy in place. Elliot, you'd better hurry. And, you best be bringing someone in with American soccer experience who can evaluate talent. So much for our "great advantage " of all those high picks when MLS can basically bend over and say "pick this". Who the hell will trade you value for a sinking in value bunch of picks?
     
  22. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Arsenal
    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Do we have to keep the horse?
     
  23. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    Bruce Arena

    It's funny how many promising Nat. team youngsters end up initially playing for DC. Just a couple of weeks ago, Rimando goes down a viola, a sudden gift from the Nat. team again. As to the proximity thing, funny how it is ok for these "Spartan" athletes to move to Bradenton, FL. However, when they are older and try to play in MLS every one is concerned about these "baby" athletes and mama.

    How come the proximity principle never applies to promising DFW youngsters? If it were, the kid that went to England from Club Solar, Nunez, and Bocanegra would all have been Burn players.

    The only one who misses these babies enough to count in uncle Bruce. Maybe he has a Michael Jackson type mansion where they can all spend quality time together.

    We are getting drilled by the MLS screwdriver. Every one of our picks has now been diluted by one. I'll bet the league thinks that throwing us a bone like Ernie Stewart, and a couple of trinkets will do the trick.

    We are about to get cheated big time, and we do not yet have a soccer guy in place. Elliot, you'd better hurry. And, you best be bringing someone in with American soccer experience who can evaluate talent. So much for our "great advantage " of all those high picks when MLS can basically bend over and say "pick this". Who the hell will trade you value for a sinking in value bunch of picks?

    As to the logo and name, if we had a decent team with decent ownership, people might not be afraid to send precious American soccer cargo to Dallas. We could be called the Lady Bugs and it would not matter. However, you don't send the next potential Pele or Maradona via an airline that loses 50% of its baggage.
     
  24. Chamo

    Chamo New Member

    Aug 9, 1999
    Plano,TX
    Re: Re: Adu to DC brings up another dead horse.

    Chaz and Mustang sorry to go over your head with this one. When you quote one assumption by itself you are taking the post out of context and losing the message of my post along the way. Premises 1 through 4 were simply setting the table for the point of my post.

    The point being that if the branding of the team played any part, even .0001%, on the decision to give Adu to DC, then HSG should strongly consider rebranding. They wouldn't want to miss out on the next potential "crack" for marketing reasons.
     
  25. SgtSchultz

    SgtSchultz Member

    Jul 11, 2001
    Parts Unknown
    Anyway you slice this deal, the Burn got burned. MLS did everything to sign ADU. This was about marketing. In a few years when MLS sells ADU, I don't want DC fans to ever complain that all they got was a lousy acquisition for the transfer.
     

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