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Discussion in 'Colombia' started by Caribe_Soy, Sep 6, 2016.
Wait for Trump now....
Beyond sad right now.
Gobierno anuncia que cese al fuego bilateral se mantiene. Que la oposición se siente
Dont give up hope yet bro. I am so sad about what happened in Colombia today, but it doesnt have to happen here too. I sincerely hope not.
The election was so close. If only more people had voted the SI could have win. But out of 38 million voters only 12 million showed up.
I'm happy that Santos and FARC still want to continue but I'm really appalled with Uribe and the NO people. For them it was not about achieving a peace accord, was about not giving the FARC legitimacy and some political representation. And I despise whoever was concerned about the costs of the accord.
thinking more about it with a 'cool head', this is democracy at it's best. This peace agreement may have been started by the Colombian Government but it's the people of the state that should have the word. And they have spoken. Even with some non votes, no one expected that the margin of "No" would be so close. Now, we'll see the true intention and character on both sides.
1. Or at it's worst. See Brexit.
2. In theory government works for the people that elected them and has a governing program put through. It always puzzled me why Santos wanted the referendum when in theory he had the authority to negotiate.
3. Technically, a third of the country's voters spoke. 2/3 of the country did not vote.
4. Didn't we already see their intention and charactet through 2 years of negotiation with an agreement that was deemed as very comprehensive and fair by international viewers? I'm more worried about the true intention and character of the people who pushed for the NO.
PS. People that wants to renegotiate the peace accords, probably agrees with Drumpf renegotiating our Trade Agreements with China.
1. If there is a choice to be had, good , bad or indifferent, it's still the freedom to choose that counts.
2. Agree with you there. He also rolled the dice on what he thought was a given. He was already on cloud 9 and knew that with this vote for 'yes' would form his 'legacy' forever. And then....Crash....
3. Technically, a non-vote is a "I don't care vote" which is also just as important as helping a weak hand. Sort of like if US voters don't vote Trump down, assuming it's someone else's issue or that there vote doesn't count or that it's already decided for Hillary . Yet that same non-vote can work to boost a candidate who would otherwise be easily eliminated.
4. Not sure what your reason was to have grown up in the states (or were you born here?). I was born in Colombia in the 1970s where violence continued to be a heavy risk for just about anyone, everywhere. My parents migrated here in the early 80s to flee that type of violence and uncertainty. First it was the major cartels that reigned. Once they were broken up into smaller cells and there was money to be had, the heavy hand in control was FARC as they used that same drug money to leverage their power. From that the AUC resistance was born and with it more violence. Just years and years of too much collateral damage. Too many dead, more displaced.
So while we may have 'peace' on paper, what does it say about our society as Colombians? That we forgave? That we are brave and could look into tomorrow by not looking at the past? Surely, the international viewers that you mention don't have to look at themselves in the mirror or tell their mom or dad or their children and grandchildren as to why they have siblings/relatives that are no longer alive? Or why they no longer own the land? etc.
What lesson does that teach and leave behind for our younger generations? ( I know you have kids so you, like me, have a different perspective).
Look, I'm not saying that neither "Yes" or "No" were the right answers because the majority would have clearly voted for "maybe". Shit trickles downhill. And all the boys on the top from FARC and the Govt were clearly going to win regardless. It's the bottom of the triangle that no one ever cares about and I think some people just want more clarity to what is already a very murky/grey situation.
@kromekote, I wish I could give you a more extensive answer but likely I will be away from a keyboard for several days. Basically I wanted my kids to learn that in Colombia we could forget, start over and build a durable peace. I know it is complicated and requires a lot of effort but if we were willing to make sacrifices to win an unwinnable war, shouldn't all of us be willing to make sacrifices for an imperfect peace?
Colombia has been hilariously funny this week..
everyone sad about the 60% abstentionism (that was horrible...)
then Uribe did't go to the meeting on monday (ultimately he did send somee people)
Martha Lucia Ramirez making new propositions for the accords (she proposed things that were already there.. shaking my head ... )
then, the "No" head of campaign blatantly says that the campaing focused on deceiving voters
now Santos given the Peace Prize...
Game of Thrones is peanuts compared to this week's events.
I voted Yes.. because I don't want to have more colombians killed by this war. I read the accords. They were imperfect, but I think that after 4 years those were reasonable.
Los memes de hoy han sido innumerables.. no he hecho sino reírme todo el santo día