Actim Ratings of Yanks in EPL

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Wahoo, Feb 8, 2007.

  1. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    Marcus named in the ACTIM Team of the week - keeping this title in American hands as last week it was Brad Friedel as top rated keeper by ACTIM

    And my typical disclaimer: I know these things are skewed towards teams that do well that week but still it's good to see.

    Americans that show up in their ratings of top 100 players include:

    Marcus Hahnemann : #19 overall and #4 among keepers
    Tim Howard : #49 overall keepers
    Brad Friedel : #52 overall
    Brian McBride : #53 overall

    For the other Americans - Jon Spector has also appeared in the ACTIM team of the week, as have Howard and Friedel.
     
  2. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting. Actim is a really interesting way to try to compare players and it has spit out a VERY interesting result for us here on the YA board:

    Brad Friedel and Brian McBride have (virtually) identical value to their respective teams. I'm not sure what I think about that. What do you?
     
  3. eric515

    eric515 Member

    May 8, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Reading finishes Top 6, I have a feeling we might add our 3rd EPL Keeper of the Year to our ranks...

    Either way, good to see Marcus transitioning nicely to the EPL.

    Where does 53 place McBride amongst strikers overall?
     
  4. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Hahnemann being ranked higher than Friedel only shows that Actim needs to change its GK ratings.
     
  5. mundial

    mundial Member

    Mar 12, 2000
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wouldn't hold my breath. I think Marcus is adequate there, but not EPL keeper of the year. It's Reading's offense that has put them in 6th place...only three teams have scored more goals, while 10 teams have allowed fewer goals.

    Reina, Van Der Sar, Cech, Tim Howard, and David James are all having better seasons, at least in terms of goals allowed.
     
  6. scotlndta

    scotlndta New Member

    Feb 4, 2005
  7. SteveWWJ

    SteveWWJ Member

    Jan 28, 2003
    Reston, VA
  8. MLSNHTOWN

    MLSNHTOWN Member+

    Oct 27, 1999
    Houston, TX

    Won't happen. Hahnemahn has been average this year at best if you actually watch Reading's games.
     
  9. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Reading probably will earn some post season recognition, unless they collapse (even if they do, they're almost certainly already safe ), because everybody wants to reward the plucky underdog. But Marcus isn't the Reading member folks are talking about. Probably Coppell, or Doyle (if he comes back strong) or Lita (10 goals in last 10 games, 13 on season). Maybe Sidwell. Heck, maybe Hunt.
     
  10. toiletduck

    toiletduck New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    I like Marcus but he's been pretty shaky at times. Maybe no worse than Timmy, however. Fans love him there though.
     
  11. MLSNHTOWN

    MLSNHTOWN Member+

    Oct 27, 1999
    Houston, TX
    Resolved, Bigsoccer will no longer rely on last year and the year before in their blanket evluations of Tim Howard this year.
     
  12. toiletduck

    toiletduck New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    Tim's been better this year and the experience is good for him, agreed. However, the guy looks like Nick Rimando on crosses at times - tentative, and sometimes even completely lost. He's very athletic and has a lot of talent, and he's still young - Kasey's best years didn't come til his 30s - so this isn't a knock on him so much as an observation.

    The comment on Nick Rimando WAS a knock, however, since he looks ridiculous on basically every corner and cross. Of course, this isn't an MLS or Rimando thread. Sorry.

    :eek:
     
  13. numerista

    numerista New Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    If you substitute out Keller's name and put in Friedel (who was a disaster at age 27), I'd agree, but just for the record, Keller's best seasons were almost certainly 97-98 and 98-99, when he was only slightly older than Howard is now.

    In 97-98, Keller's Leicester team allowed only 41 goals, which was the third best total in the Premiership behind only Arsenal and ManU. And even though the US national team struggled in 1998, that year Keller led it to a 1-0 win over Brazil in a game Romario called the best goalkeeping performance he'd ever seen. In 98-99, Leicester allowed 44 goals and finished in fifth in the league. That was its highest placement in decades, and probably for decades to come.

    Since that stretch, though, Keller hasn't registered a single winning season. The year after replacing him, both Rayo Vallecano's and Tottenham's defenses improved dramatically.
     
  14. toiletduck

    toiletduck New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    You make a good point. Did Keller have more experience at a reasonably high level at that point than does Howard, though? Tim's only been out of MLS for three years, but if I remember Kasey was at Millwall for several years prior to Leicester, and he was at Leicester for awhile too. I don't know...just wondering. It just seems like Tim is much younger than he is, I guess.

    Perhaps a better question is when Scoop Stanisic hit his goalkeeping stride.
     
  15. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Kasey went to Milwall in 1992, so by 1997 ...
     
  16. numerista

    numerista New Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    Some might say that Howard has more experience -- he went pro much younger and reached the Premiership much younger. On the other hand, soon after joining Millwall, Keller became a regular starter; by contrast, Howard's starting roles have been sandwiched between stretches of benchwarming behind Meola, Ammann, Carroll, and van der Sar. None of those keepers was easy to beat out.

    So maybe Keller is a good illustration of why it's so valuable for young players to get regular minutes. Then again, maybe he was just an early bloomer (though not as early as Nick Rimando :)).
     
  17. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    Marcus again named in the ACTIM Team of the Week. This is his 2nd in a row and 4th of the year.

    And my typical disclaimer: I know these things are skewed towards teams that do well that week but still it's good to see.

    Americans that show up in their ratings of top 100 players include:

    Marcus Hahnemann : #12 overall and #1 among goalkeepers (yes you read that right - apparently one can move up or down significantly in a week)
    Tim Howard : #42 overall (up 7 spots) #6 among keepers
    Brad Friedel : #53 overall
    Brian McBride : #56 overall

    Yes you read that right above... Marcus Hahnemann is now the highest ranking goalkeeper in the ACTIM index and should appear in their Team of the Season - based solely on rating (though it doesn't appear to have been updated yet)
     
  18. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    And yes they updated the link --- Marcus is now currently in the Team of the Season on ACTIM. Someone in the ratings there likes him.

    Here's what they have written on him.

    Marcus Hahnemann (Reading) Few players have been as important in Reading's improbable challenge for European qualification as keeper Hahnemann, and the USA international has made a string of fine saves in recent weeks to break into the Actim Index Team of the Week two weeks running, leading to qualification for the Team of the Season.​

    No I don't think Marcus is the best keeper in the EPL or even the most important keeper to his team --- but its nice to see his work acknowledged in a fashion.
     
  19. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It may not mean he's the best inteh prem, but, as always, it's nice to be noticed. And, while their system may be flawed, at least in one system of ranking performance, he's having a great year.
     
  20. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Marcus also made Sky's Team of the Week.
     
  21. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    Soccernet however chose Friedel rather than Marcus.
    Further proof that ESPN hates American Soccer.
    :eek:
     
  22. Fulham South

    Fulham South New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    GEORGIA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mad Brad The English Lad . . .
     

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