I think Chelsea and Juventus are aiming to profit from blood and tears. The bombings were cruel, but this decision was even more cruel. That is what the terrorists want. They tried to harm Turkey, and see how they achieve that. The bombings killed around 50 people. But the targets were unprotected, and they were not expecting a bomb could hit them. If Juventus and Chelsea came to Istanbul, they would be protected so well, their streets and routes would be closed to traffic. I do not think about rankings, points, goals or nothing. This is about life. This is about real friends, and hidden enemies. Especially Chelsea's behavior hurts me. On 20th of November, only two English people had died, while tens of Turkish people working for British Consulate or HSBC Bank died. They were Turkish people working for English. I believe neutral venues are better for both Besiktas and Galatasaray on football terms. But, as I said before, it is not about football.
Um...what is it that Chelsea have done that has upset you so much? Is it the initial refusal to take the away allocation of tickets?
Molosztash i think you've made an excellent point. I don't see the sense in ever giving terrorism an incentive to strike again, the uefa in my opinion should have been defiant against the atmosphere the terrorists are trying to create. As Scala an italian coach put it " Uefa is buttering the bread of the terroists. " Also i believe playing at a neutral venue such as germany will hurt besiktas and galatasary. Another aspect of this cowardly uefa decision that hasn't really been spoken about are the Israeli teams that have their home games in Turkey. This decision hurts them more than it hurts turkish teams in my opinion. Turkish teams can always go play in germany where they will get plenty of support from the large turkish population in Germany, but where will the Israeli teams go? I'm sure those of you who have been reading the news have noticed a slight upsurge of anti-semitism in europe, so again i'm wondering where will these Israeli teams play, Greece (where the game would be sold out mostly to fans who'd be there to heckle them.) Just thought i'd point out another aspect of this uefa decision. All in all i feel bad for the turkish teams who have to play in neutral venues but i feel worse for the israeli teams who will now have a hard time finding a place to play. Hopefully the situation will turn back to normal sometime soon.
Re: Re: Re: about neutral venue decisions... Well then, please explain to me what Chelsea have done. We are not a member of the G14. We have no clout with UEFA. It was their decision to move the game. Chelsea were prepared to send the team-minus the fans. The option was taken away from us from the powers that be. I still fail to see why he is upset @Chels--apart from not taking the tickets (a point i don't agree with as the Rovers had just been there and had no problems) What am i missing here?
Of course the number 1 organization to blame is UEFA but again Chelsea could voice their opinion. For example Juventus said they can play in Istanbul if Gala wants them to but they came to the conclusion to play it in Stuttgart.
Chelsea..through Eddie Barnet...had already stated that they, as a club, were prepared to travel to Turkey to fulfill the fixture.
So why don't they then? UEFA is blocking this action or something? I didn't hear about this at all, if you let me know more about it I would appreciate it.
There isn't much to tell. http://www.wldcup.com/news/2003Nov/20031125_20993_world_soccer.html But, this will explain it. As i have already said, Eddie barnet, the Chelsea ticket and fixture voice for the club, had already stated to UEFA that Chelsea were prepared to travel to fulfill the tie. UEFA took the decision out of Chels hands. Now, all i was wondering is why he is pissed off at Chelsea?
I think Chelsea refused to go to Israel 2 or 3 years ago and they were eliminated when they played without their stars in Israel. But it is not the same situation right now. Juventus is the one to blame not Chelsea. Even if Chelsea didnt want to come, I`d understand their concerns. But it is better to play in Germany for Turkish teams. If the crowd makes trouble, Galatasaray and BJK can`t be responsible because the game is in neutral venue. It will be hell of a support over there and I am not really dissapointed even though I can`t go to the most important match when I have a seasons ticket. In the long term, it will be alright for Turkey if the attacks end. Yeah, maybe Juve and Chelsea are aiming to profit from the terror but let`s ask no pity from Europe. We all know what they really think about us. We should look forward to our business and unfortunately someday these attacks will hit the Western Europe and we`ll see how they will act and feel. I don`t hope it will happen but eventually people of Europe will suffer,then we can expect them to understand us.
okay--without getting too political here... Originally posted by gantelo I think Chelsea refused to go to Israel 2 or 3 years ago and they were eliminated when they played without their stars in Israel. Incorrect. Chelsea did not refuse to travek to Israel. Chelsea did however offer the players the choice of traveling to Israel or not.About half of the team opted not to and re suffered a 0-2 loss to Hapoel Tel Aviv. Originally posted by gantelo But it is not the same situation right now. Juventus is the one to blame not Chelsea. Even if Chelsea didnt want to come, I`d understand their concerns. How are Juve to blame? Originally posted by gantelo Yeah, maybe Juve and Chelsea are aiming to profit from the terror but let`s ask no pity from Europe. We all know what they really think about us. How, exactly are Chelsea aiming to profit "from the terror.By going to wherever the game is going to be played and playing to win? Thats the second time now in this thread that somebody fom Turkey has stated that. Please explain it to me!!!!!! Originally posted by gantelo We should look forward to our business and unfortunately someday these attacks will hit the Western Europe and we`ll see how they will act and feel. I don`t hope it will happen but eventually people of Europe will suffer,then we can expect them to understand us. I already know how it feels. I was stationed in the lurgan barracks in Northern Ireland from 1982 thru 1986.
the match galatasaray-juventus will be held on 02.12.2003 in westfalenstadion, dortmund. here the statement from the official bvb site: Tickets available for Galatasaray v Juventus [28.11.] Advanced ticket sales for the Champions League game between Galatasaray and Juventus start this Saturday from 1100 (until 1700) at the Westfalen Stadium. The match takes place on Tuesday, 2 December 1945 GMT at the Dortmund football ground. There will be absolutely no sales at other ticket offices, the call center or the BVB office. Requests by email will also not be answered. Turkish supporters can purchase their tickets at the box office in front of the Rote Erde Stadium, the Italian fans have to go to the box office in front of the North Stand at the Westfalen Stadium. On Sunday, 30 November, the ticket sales continues from 1300 to 1700. Opening times for Monday and Tuesday will be announced shortly. Borussia Dortmund season tickets can NOT be used for this event. jonam ---The Borussia Dortmund fanzine---
Clan, sorry for the late reply. I was disgusted by Chelsea's behavior, because I heard that they appealed to UEFA for neutral venue decision, while they say "we'll go to Istanbul without our fans". That was what hurts me. But now, we don't know it is true. Anyway Juventus behavior was extremely worse. Italian media started to say "it is not safe, everybody is escaping from there" just after the british targets' bombings. They are really vampires. I just had a sympathy for Juventus, and used to support Galatasaray's opponents in European matches, but I am supporting Gala for the match on Tuesday. I think it is clear now.