Abortion

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Chesco United, Dec 1, 2021.

  1. superdave

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    Nice own goal. At six weeks vs. after six weeks. Abrams wins and you lose.
     
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  2. superdave

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    Being that you’re against it, can we presume you are pro-life because it’s the best you and your ilk can do after the 13th amendment?
    He ain’t perfect either. It’s right there in his name!
    Dude, I don’t even feel the need to look this one up…I’d be shocked if this verse wasn’t a general rule of life, but something written about a particular time or situation. Maybe the Babylonian exile, for example.

    As Jesus should have said, even a Sounders fan* can quote scripture for his own purposes.
    it’s impossible to make any progress on an abortion compromise! This isn’t a question of marginal tax rates! One side believes it’s a fetus, the other believes it’s (oxymoronically) a pre-born baby. King Solomon ain’t solving this one.
    Whenever anyone believes in an exception for rape or incest, they’re telling us it’s not about being pro-life, it’s about slut shaming and controlling women.

    *This joke doesn’t fit anymore, because Sounders fans aren’t the assholes they were when this joke became a cliche. But it’s an easy joke to make.
     
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  3. superdave

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  4. Sounders78

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    You should read Ecclesiastes more often - it's a great book that puts forth a general ancient Near Eastern philosophical position regarding life in general, and not about a particular time or situation such as the Babylonian exile, for example.

    The running conclusion, just as it is expressed in the Gilgamesh Epic and elsewhere, is:

    Eccl 2:24: "A person can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in their own toil."
    Eccl 3:12-13: "I know that there is nothing better for people than to be happy and to do good while they live. That each of them may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all their toil—this is the gift of God.
    Eccl 5:18: "This is what I have observed to be good: that it is appropriate for a person to eat, to drink and to find satisfaction in their toilsome labor under the sun during the few days of life God has given them—for this is their lot."
    Eccl 8:15: "So I commend the enjoyment of life, because there is nothing better for a person under the sun than to eat and drink and be glad."

    Ancient words to live by.

    Upon reading Ecclesiastes, you'll see how the comment about the unborn being better off than the born makes complete sense in its context. Personally, I love the nihilism of it all.

    It also can be applied theologically to the abortion issue as understood by conservative evangelicals (of which you are not). Specifically, disregarding Catholic doctrine, if a fetus has not been able to sin, it will not go to Hell. If the fetus is eventually born, it will inevitably sin and risk going to Hell. We are told the road to salvation is narrow, but the one to Hell is broad, suggesting that most people will go to Hell. Thus, abortion saves souls, and given conservative evangelicals argue eternal salvation is the most important thing, we can understand why the unborn who never see the light of day are better off than the ones who are unfortunate enough to be born. (I know you don't like "thinking like a conservative evangelical", but speaking their language is important if you want to understand them).

    "And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive. But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun." Ecclesiastes 4:2-3

    Amen.
     
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  5. Kazuma

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    Several threads and they're being ruined by a guy who's probably still mourning over the loss of John Paul II.
     
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  6. Sounders78

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    Not surprisingly, Mastriano, the PA gov candidate, in 2019 said women who have abortions should be tried for murder.

    One of the quotes I found interesting is:

    This raises an issue I haven't seen addressed yet: fetuses don't have citizenship. A baby born in America is American, is a fetus visiting America now American as well? What if it was conceived in America while a couple was on holiday from another country? Does that make it American?
     
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  7. Auriaprottu

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    Threads are never ruined. They serve to identify folks you should not be addressing. I scroll past and comment on what matters.
     
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  8. Q*bert Jones III

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    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

    Since they haven't been born they can't be citizens. But they are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".
     
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  9. Auriaprottu

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    That's what it says NOW. Keep waiting.

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    I think Orwell had some kind of mental issues with communism and was poking fun, but some things he said do transfer to the actual world we live in.

    I'd really love to see someone write a novel about capitalism and have it go viral, but the planet has become so toxically fond of capitalism that it's unlikely to happen.
     
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  10. marek

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    what sort of issues?
    can you give more detail?
     
  11. Auriaprottu

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    Read the book. It's a full-on satirizing of communism
     
  12. Q*bert Jones III

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    Orwell was an avowed socialist who was saddened at how the Soviets were butchering millions of their own people. Not exactly "mental issues" IMO. That's the standard view of nearly all socialists.
     
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  13. marek

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    I have

    I would say the book was very spot on
    Not only in describing the current (at the time) status of Communism but also how it would look in the future
     
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  14. xtomx

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    So he is fully in support of "Anchor fetuses"!
     
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  15. Sounders78

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    Ah, but he is declaring them to be citizens. It's only a matter of time.
     
  16. song219

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    So all you'll need to do in the US is some anchor ********ing.
     
  17. ceezmad

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  18. superdave

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    Rule 34
     
  19. rslfanboy

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    Working on it. :thumbsup:
     
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  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    By any means necessary in our Trumpy dystopia

     
  21. soccernutter

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    Putting this here because it's about abortion, though could just as easily go in the Elections forum.

    They call us Wississippi.

    https://www.wkow.com/news/after-gop...cle_44cab344-443e-11ed-ac38-eb846078358f.html

    In a matter of seconds Tuesday, Republican leaders in the Wisconsin legislature gaveled in and out of a special session seeking to give residents a chance to vote on the state's abortion ban.

    40 seconds, to be exact.

    Evers said without a path for voters to directly determine abortion law, they'd have to decide between a governor who would sign or veto abortion bills. Republican challenger Tim Michels has described himself as unabashedly pro-life, and previously said he supported the 1849 ban as it was written.

    This is another reason why I think Evers will win.
     
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  22. Chesco United

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    For those interested in Orwell's political views, try to read his Homage to Catalonia!
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    IMO the most interesting thing Orwell was wrong about is there is no need to rewrite the past

    People don't care when the obvious lies and corruption of the cult of personality are revealed.

    See Mango Shit Gibbon.
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    I prefer Down and out in Paris and London.
     
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  25. yossarian

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    #950 yossarian, Oct 6, 2022
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    I love Politics and the English Language. Such a great pedantic rant ---- like a spin on the classic Simpsons meme: "Really intelligent old man shakes fist at cloud."
     

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