By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
  1. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
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    Los Angeles Sol
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    #1 Dan Loney, Dec 29, 2017
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    Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

    By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
    I have spent the past few weeks carefully looking at the platforms and personalities of the men and women running for the position of President of the United States Soccer Federation. My conclusion is, I endorse the elimination of the position of the President of the United States Soccer Federation. If this is the quality of people we get running for the job, there must be something wrong with the job.

    I think the problem is that no one is really certain what the job is supposed to be. There’s a universal assumption that, just as FIFA rules world soccer, the USSF can and should exert a similar influence in the United States. Even the ones who talk of implementing progressive changes take for granted that they will have the power to do so, and should have the power to do so. It’s like seeing eight versions of Isildur vowing to use the One Ring for good.

    No, I will never apologize. My entire life has been leading up to that metaphor.

    This is also the first contested election in, for want of a better term, the Fan Era. The stakes for the 1990 Fricker v. Rothenberg battle were arguably higher, but just because there were millions of dollars at stake did not mean there were millions of fans paying attention. Fans don’t have a voice in this process – and don’t get me wrong, we should not. We are customers. We decided we have an interest in this, but that was our choice. And as Grant Wahl showed us this week, giving monkeys the vote is not always popular with the organ grinder community. But we’ll get to that.

    Steve Gans is the only person still in the race who had the donuts to challenge Sunil Gulati before October 10. Odds are if you’re reading this, it’s not gonna take you too long to figure out what changed on October 10. Should one draw conclusions about the viability of his candidacy based on the fact that seven other people piled on as soon as it was safe? Yes. You should. Every candidate’s platform is basically a series of promises to form committees and councils, but this one from Gans stood out:

    I will immediately halt and institute a moratorium on the current U.S. Soccer plan to centralize the State Referee Administrator responsibilities. An open, transparent and inclusive summit will then be held – with participation by all state associations – to jointly discuss any issues in the SRA program, and to consider any possible related improvements.

    No other candidate is bringing this subject up, so it’s fair to assume it’s meaningful to Gans. He wants to call a Council of Nicaea to address the issue – whatever the issue actually is. Gans may have suggestions for improvements, but the main problem seems to be centralization.

    Well, okay, that’s one way to tell candidates apart – it makes sense that some would be for more USSF authority, and some for less. Gans clearly feels the USSF should have less – wait, what’s this?

    I will create and participate in a task force of youth state associations and national affiliates to address and solve the counterproductive competition amongst sanctioning organizations which occurs beneath the topline of U.S. Soccer youth registration numbers. Such zero-sum competition is destructive to youth soccer and the youth development system, and these issues will be addressed and solved for the good of the game.

    It’s going to take an awfully strong central authority to put a stop to competition between youth soccer organizations.

    You will also have noticed that councils and committees and task forces and such play a significant role in Gans’ platform. But that’s okay, because councils and committees and task forces make up the most significant part of nearly every candidate’s platform.

    I believe you form a committee to do one of two things. Either you want nothing done at all but you want to fool people into thinking you’re trying, or you want something unpopular done and want to make sure everybody else gets to take the blame. Chief executive officers, chairpeople of boards of directors – these aren’t the sort of folks who are used to hearing a lot of backtalk in their daily lives. They’re certainly not going to go out of their way to get a bunch of people in a room to churn out something they oppose.

    People like to promise committees, because it sounds like other people have a voice in the process, even when the voices are there to be co-opted or compromised.

    If you go to michaelwinograd.net, you will learn about a renowned klezmer and world music clarinetist from Brooklyn. If, on the other hand, you go winogradussf.com, a domain name likely to be available some time in March 2018, you will read this promise from candidate Michael Winograd, speaking in the third person:

    Winograd will ensure that critical US Soccer decisions reflect input from all parts of the US Soccer landscape they affect. The selection of national team managers and technical directors; decisions on structures, policies and guidelines in youth soccer; negotiation of sponsorships and other key business transactions; and other fundamental decisions affecting the direction and success of US Soccer are too critical to be made without a deliberate, inclusive, and transparent process. Winograd will form advisory committees that include current and/or former players, coaches, managers, administrators and executives from all levels. And qualifications will be based on merit – people with pertinent skills and achievements and the proven ability to exercise good and objective judgment – not on politics, favoritism or principles of entrenchment.

    Those aren’t promises. Those are threats. The idea that, to pick an example not entirely at random, the Eastern New York State Soccer Association should have any meaningful input in who should coach the national teams is downright painful. There are areas of knowledge that can’t be crowd-sourced effectively, and hiring coaches and technical directors is….okay, it’s not up there with neuroscience, but I believe you see what I’m getting at.

    Winograd isn’t stupid, and presumably realizes this. Sunil Gulati’s expertise in choosing national team coaches was inadequate, and did not improve with experience. (What did he end up picking, three each for the men’s and women’s teams? Godalmighty.) There’s no good reason to leave decisions like this to King Mob. And there’s nothing here that says Winograd would do so. Input from advisory committees isn’t binding, still less when it’s from the break room at the construction site at the Tower of Babel.

    There aren’t many people running here who believe in the USSF President having less power. And it’s funny how youth soccer brings out the autocrat in everyone.

    We should take a fresh look at youth soccer’s organizational structure on a state by state basis. We need to implement uniform standards and ensure fairness across youth soccer in all states, and then work together to structure the youth landscape in any given state in a way that makes the most sense for that state, taking into account existing entities, geography, demographics and other key factors. And we must clearly define that structure and its individual components to the consumer.

    One way to achieve what works best for an individual state would be to leave it to the individual state. Winograd, like Gans, and like most of the other candidates, would sooner crawl on broken glass.

    Eric Wynalda announced his run something like a week before Winograd, but over a week after the Trinidad debacle – after spending literally years hemming and hawing about it. He would have been in a much better position had he made a stand before it was safe – but judging by his campaign web site, probably not. There’s no platform, just a series of pinheaded videos under three minutes each. The closest thing to an actual plan is in the Four Four Two interview he did with Scott French. His twin planks are promotion and relegation on the one hand, and a winter-to-spring schedule on the other.

    Let’s put aside for a moment whether either of these are good ideas. Wynalda presumably knows that no US league is doing either of these things voluntarily, but assumes the USSF President has the power to force these policies onto member organizations. It’s a little troubling when people spend years complaining about Sunil Gulati exercising too much power, only to find out the solution is to change the name of the person exercising that power.

    It was not Wynalda that sounded the knell for the Gulati administration, but Carlos Cordeiro. Until Kathy Carter entered the race, Cordeiro was routinely summed up as Gulati’s right-hand man. Apparently the two had a split, probably due to Cordeiro realizing that Gulati was ambulatory dead meat before Gulati did.

    There is a great deal on Codeiro’s platform that deserves serious discussion and consideration. In fact, he would probably make a very good USSF President, my glib click-baity dismissal of the entire process notwithstanding. But if you considered Gans and Winograd, and thought, “I like them, but they don’t suggest enough committees”? Have we got a guy for you!

    These are the planks in Cordeiro’s platform that stood out the most, to me, anyway?

    Have a truly independent President who is beholden to no one, listens to and treats all members of our community fairly, is transparent, abides by checks and balances, and works collaboratively to bring all stakeholders together around common goals; [and]

    Empower the Board to play a greater role in all Federation activities, including the creation of two new board-level committees: a technical committee, chaired by an Athlete Director, to oversee soccer operations, and a commercial committee, chaired by an independent director, to oversee all USSF commercial activities, including marketing and TV broadcast rights[….]

    That first paragraph is quite the slap at Sunil Gulati, unless all this time Cordeiro’s held a grudge against the late Dr. Bob Contiguglia (EDIT - good news! He's not dead! Why did I think that? The world may never know). And it’s a refreshing acknowledgement that checks and balances in USSF exist, rather than depend on the whim of the executive.

    The commercial committee idea seems like a reference to Soccer United Marketing, and not necessarily a kindly one. It reads like he’s talking about putting a cop on their corner, especially if we go by “independent director.” Cordeiro might, in fact, have been wrongly dismissed as a status quo candidate. I’d be extremely interested to hear Cordeiro elaborate on this.

    And apparently I’m the only one who would be, since there’s literally a lawsuit going on about this very topic and the genius plaintiffs don’t even seem to have asked Cordeiro for an opinion.

    It’s worth noting that Wynalda seems to loathe Carlos Cordeiro on a personal level, judging by the Scott French interview. In case you’re wondering how close this was going to be to a full-on Cordeiro endorsement.

    Two other former US national team players joined the race, and I like to think both of them joined specifically to annoy Eric Wynalda. Wynalda certainly treated Kyle Martino dismissively enough, and continues to. Paul Caligiuri, on the other hand, is one of the few men who outranks Wynalda on the legendariness scale.

    Kyle Martino has been agonizingly slow with specifics, and irritatingly quick with accusations – he and Wynalda need to form a joint ticket. Or a podcast. Martino, like Wynalda, is given to dark accusations of blackballing and reprisals against those who place toes against lines with insufficient enthusiasm. In complete fairness, Martino has endorsed an idea where little soccer goals could be placed under basketball hoops in city playgrounds. It’s a pretty poor excuse for inclusion, but then again, at least it’s an idea.

    Paul Caligiuri is not campaigning online, and doesn’t have a web-based platform. In case you were wondering how close this was going to be to a full-on Caligiuri endorsement.

    The true insider candidate rolled around in December, when it became apparent that even this crop was preferable to Four More Years.

    Sometime between November and now women started playing soccer, so someone had the bright idea to get a woman to run for USSF President. Kathy Carter’s platform is unusually light, even for this field. It really boils down to whether you believe “President of Soccer United Marketing” is a qualification or not. There’s nothing Carter is going to do to win over someone who has the fears of all SUM.

    Carter is also running an old-fashioned USSF campaign, which means meeting the people who actually have the vote. It was ridiculous to think that the President of SUM would not have the endorsement of the Chief Executive Officer of SUM, so people should not have been appalled that Don Garber was campaigning for her. Sunil Gulati, on the other hand, was pretending not to have endorsed anyone, at least until Grant Wahl followed up on endorsements from a couple of Eastern Seaboard soccer associations.

    Did I mention we’re dealing with a bunch of guys who are used to making decisions and are not used to being second-guessed? For all you who expected soccer associations to poll their membership on who they would support – did it hurt? When you fell off the tomato truck? You knew Carter was the insider candidate already, wipe the shocked look off your face.

    Then there’s Hope Solo, who…is putting together a clear and consistent platform backed up with the passion and sincerity of her beliefs. Everyone has made up their mind about Hope Solo, which is fine, but that doesn’t mean she’s not as serious a candidate as literally any of the others.

    If the theory is that you want a change candidate? If you want someone who is really going to change the old boy network, reshape the way the Federation does business, give more attention to the women’s program, give more outreach to poor and under-served communities? Solo is your candidate. Yes, she’s one of the least diplomatic people in the sport, but then, so is Wynalda.

    I know, it’s unfair to compare Solo to Wynalda. Solo has won championships. And Solo’s platform is coherent.

    There’s something irritating about USA Today, for example, saying Solo can’t win because of her previous controversial remarks.

    The problem for Solo is that she isn’t the only former player running, but she is the only one with a hostile relationship with the federation. She won’t be able to overcome that.”

    Emphasis in original.

    Hey, let’s go back and see what Wynalda told Scott French about the USSF:

    “I completely hated my experience with the United States Soccer Federation from 1989 until now. There hasn’t been a time in any of that that I trusted their motives, where I didn’t feel that I was being manipulated or deceived or lied to or essentially ruled by fear. We have been told, ‘Cooperate and comply or we don’t need you. Take it or leave it. Ninety/ten is our idea of a partnership,’ and then we’re expected to wear the crest and be proud and go represent our country. It doesn’t work that way. It’s been that way for too long…Playing for the national team really is not something that anybody enjoys anymore. And that’s mainly because of the relationship with their federation is horrible. And that has gone back the last couple of decades. Anybody that has played for the national team will tell you without hesitation that they hate their federation.”

    But Solo is the irrational one. Why, she can barely form a coherent thought:

    Hope Solo says she will eliminate sexism and discrimination in her campaign statement. She did not offer how she would do that. She didn’t write a paragraph about it. She didn’t even write a complete sentence about how she would eliminate two things that have existed in our society since its inception. Just know that she’s gonna do that. Sexism and discrimination in soccer? Boom. Gone.

    Yes, Hope’s platform was collected into bullet points. The thinking behind those bullet points was spelled out in detail in her Facebook post and the “Why I’m running” section.

    Now, if one were to say that Solo, too, assumes a USSF President bestowed with limitless power for good or evil, then yes, that would be a fair criticism. If you were to tell me that Solo, like most of the other candidates, is running for dictator, I would listen attentively.

    But calling Solo unrealistic and unclear in the same race where Silent Cal doesn’t even have a website, and Eric Wynalda promises to ban summer soccer? Asinine.

    The United States Soccer Federation is a licensing organization. It provides a bureaucracy to handle player contracts, manage leagues and tournaments, administer the laws, and occasionally promote the game.

    Lately it has achieved attention for assembling a series of men’s and women’s all-star teams to compete with other national teams in various competitions. Those are the Federation’s primary revenue sources, and by the way the source of every single one of its fans.

    The mission for the USSF is the following:

    Stop losing;

    Stop getting sued;

    Host the World Cup.

    Instead, we will get someone whose mission will be to continue to consolidate power, for whatever perceived good. I believe Pete Townshend had the final word when it came to making introductions with recently-ascended overseers.
     
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Okay, fine. Who ya got?

  1. Gans

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  2. Wynalda

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  3. Winograd

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  4. Cordeiro

    7 vote(s)
    13.2%
  5. Caligiuri

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  6. Martino

    3 vote(s)
    5.7%
  7. Carter

    17 vote(s)
    32.1%
  8. Solo

    11 vote(s)
    20.8%

Comments

Discussion in 'Articles' started by Dan Loney, Dec 29, 2017.

    1. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      I've seen the light...oh wait those aren't stars those are facts...well lets see what the truth is.

      'made the semi-final this year'...this year is a funny thing isn't it.

      Last year they finished??? third......from last. meaning they would've been relegated after last season. So truth is they shouldn't have even been in the league this year. Should've been an usl season for them so I don't recognize their season this year as existing.

      If it wasn't for the criminals Garber/Carter and mls/sum scums we would have pro/rel and the crew would be where they belong...in austin...in the usl.

      I am really excited for the austin franchise much better market.
       
    2. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
    3. Dan Loney

      Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

      Mar 10, 2000
      Cincilluminati
      Club:
      Los Angeles Sol
      Nat'l Team:
      Philippines

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      What the...?

      Well, I guess there's a downside to ignoring idiots. Let's set this straight, because Stover screwed this up.

      Longtime readers of this blog, JEFF, will remember back in 2015 when the NASL went ballistic over proposed D1 standards, and threatened to sue. Someone actually bothered to ask the USSF whether NASL asked for a waiver. The USSF said Go On, Guess What They Said, I'll Wait, Bzzt, Times Up.

      https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/nasl-suppose-they-gave-a-war-and-nobody-came.2042048/#post-35253941

      When was the last time the USSF denied a league a one-year waiver for divisional standards?

      I am not aware of any waiver requests being denied.

      This current lawsuit came because of a waiver denial, not because the initial request was denied - because waiver denials are so rare, and the NASL had regressed since 2015.

      It's possible Buethe could have lied to me...and no one bothered to correct either of us until now. I'll run it by my pal Bill Ockham over at the barber shop.

      EDIT - I don't wanna police trolls, but "Kathy Carter for President!" is a little obvious, don't you think? And yes, since Mexico and China have pro/rel and their teams move all the time, pro/rel is not the solution to #SaveTheCrew.
       
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    4. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Because '17 wasn't over when the graph was made?

      Seriously, are you this much of an asshole in real life?

      And no, '17 wasnt down at all. Are you going to show where you got your misinformation or did you just pull it out of your ass?
       
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    5. USRufnex

      USRufnex Red Card

      Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
      United States
      Jul 15, 2000
      Tulsa, OK
      Club:
      --other--

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Yes, they are.

      Because if the only city you support against MLS playing relocation games is Columbus, then you're part of the current problem.

      You don't have to voice a full throated public support of #ProRelForUSA , but your side has to stop being so negatively closed minded on the subject...

       
    6. USRufnex

      USRufnex Red Card

      Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
      United States
      Jul 15, 2000
      Tulsa, OK
      Club:
      --other--
      #56 USRufnex, Jan 6, 2018
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      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Once again, you slander a person's character.
      I find reading twitter threads from his POV to be valid and intriguing.
      I didn't know anything about Eric Stover until referred by none other than Peter Wilt...

      The last blog post of yours that I actually took seriously as something other than a buncha bull puckey was the one piling on about the Cosmos destroying the NASL for a second time. A little over the top but certainly timely and relatively non-verbose.

      I signed on to the pre-Cosmos NASL ideal of being the strongest 2nd division possible and was very enthusiastic about the addition of the Cosmos. I did not sign on to the lawsuit or Pro/Rel... I was getting texts from an owner of the Tulsa Athletics from the Soccer Bowl played in Atlanta with the Cosmos... he (like myself) didn't think it was appropriate to call it a "Soccer Bowl" in the first place... and it's frustrating being stuck in the middle between USL & NASL and Energy FC and OKC FC/Rayo OKC forced to choose between supporting/attempting to join a league in the USL that seems destined to become little more than a reserve/feeder/expansion incubator subservient to MLS versus a head-in-the-clouds NASL that has started actively selling expansion slots based on competing toe-to-toe with MLS as soccer's version of the AFL or ABA...

      I slowly came to the conclusion that it really is the system that's broken here, and that sitting idly by while allowing MLS to become a defacto monopoly is not going to fix anything. We need to reform USSF and move towards implementation of Promotion/Relgation as part of the answer. It's not going to be a magic bullet, but then again, who (other than a chosen few anti-Pro/Rel zealots) claimed I ever said it was?

      #ProRelForUSA
      #OpenSoccer
       
    7. USRufnex

      USRufnex Red Card

      Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
      United States
      Jul 15, 2000
      Tulsa, OK
      Club:
      --other--

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      No, anti-Pro/Rel zealot, I didn't.

      The one who posted it on twitter wanted to post it on bigsoccer but hadn't been registered long enough, so I did it for him in the context of this discussion.

      Typical anti-Pro/Rel bigsoccer bias.
       
    8. USRufnex

      USRufnex Red Card

      Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
      United States
      Jul 15, 2000
      Tulsa, OK
      Club:
      --other--
      #58 USRufnex, Jan 6, 2018
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      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Your guess would be incorrect.

      My last correspondences with Davidson ended in a phone call and a few email exchanges in the fall of 2012.

      In the three years or so before that, I found him to be intelligent, thoughtful and highly articulate. In fact, if I had to list all the people I've run across in my lifetime who had these attributes in spades, Aaron would be very close to the top of the list, if not at the very top... I've met wonderfully articulate people in the arts who speak multiple languages... Aaron speaks FIVE.

      It saddened me to hear the news.

      Don't hate the playa... hate the game.

      Aaron Davidson's Stunning Soccer Bribery Case Could Clean Up FIFA's Corruption

      Tim Elfrink | September 1, 2015 | 8:05am
       
    9. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      again a crew fan...all passion...no facts

      blog was written in december of 2017...so any idea that the season wasn't over is a joke. the 17 numbers are included in other graphs when he thinks it helps his twisted of facts but are really more lies. he could've included that but he didn't...because it shows the truth which he is trying to hide.

      https://www.columbuscrewsc.com/media/all-time-attendance

      clearly says

      2016 17125
      2017 15439

      here is an article from halfway into the season...when they were last for the season in butts...facts are important

      https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2017/07/17/columbus-crew-sc-is-last-in-mls-attendance.html

      once again #freethecrew #crew2austin
       
    10. Cavan9

      Cavan9 Member

      Nov 16, 2011
      Silver Spring, MD
      Club:
      DC United
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      The guy who made that graphic could have started a thread and posted it that way.
       
    11. Cavan9

      Cavan9 Member

      Nov 16, 2011
      Silver Spring, MD
      Club:
      DC United
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Just post "nah-huh" or "I know you are but what am I" or some similarly childish quote next time rather than trying to pretend that you have any facts or business logic to back up your cause.

      You just made my point about pro-rel zealots trying to latch their nonsensical cause onto a worthy one. I wrote many reasons in favor of Save the Crew in Bill Archer's post's comment threads. All have to do with good business rather some unrelated cause.

      Your posts remind me of a saying that is common in the law profession:

      "If you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. If you have the law on your side, argue the law. If you have neither, pound the table."

      Since this is the internet, you'll continue to pound the table because that's what you do. However, I doubt that your table pounding is converting anybody who wasn't already converted.
       
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    12. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      So, instead of reading the article, Garber just pays you to poach.

      Look, I have been a fan since the beginning. You don't have to explain the struggles, I have seen them and lived them. But do yourself a favor (you won't, because you are a ********ing moron) and look at attendance numbers since Precourt was sold the team. Look at why there was a decline, however small, and as yourself if it is the market or incompetent ownership?

      Then look at Austin, a similar market in all aspects, and ask yourself why this team, to that location.

      Just try. I know it hurts to use your mind all by yourself, but try.

      average_mls_attendance_columbus.jpg
       
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    13. barroldinho

      barroldinho Member+

      Man Utd and LA Galaxy
      England
      Aug 13, 2007
      US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
      Club:
      Manchester United FC
      Nat'l Team:
      England

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      When the game is corruption, I've little time or regard for any of its "playas".
       
    14. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      shocking you posted another one of the graphs...that has 2017 in it...even though you said it wasn't written before 2017 was done.

      the name calling is childish stop you are making urself and ur cause look bad and thats why you get no respect from adults and intelligent people.

      I read the entire blog post. It attempts to argue that attendance numbers aren't an accurate account of fan support. The blogger attempts to say that the numbers are 'nuanced' so you can't just say 20 is more then 15, which is a bold move but not true.

      they attempt to explain that even though they are third to last in butts in the seats its a misleading average because atlanta and seattle have averages that are so far ahead of the third ranked team that the average is tainted and that the crew aren't as far as behind as it seems of the average. The issue with that thought though is you can't just take away the two highest numbers and change the average because it make a bad number not look as bad. The fact is its still third from last.

      The next point they try to make is that the crew isn't the second coming of chivas usa...this is something that doesn't matter. It is a good idea for the blogger because its like saying hey the crew isn't chivas like that is a positive...the issue is that saying they are better then chivas usa isn't a reason to keep the crew where they are. ok better then chivas usa...so what lol. That is like saying we aren't the worst franchise we are the second worse...winning...uh no you aren't.

      then then say lets look at the butts number again more closely. they then go back to the same garbage they just said in saying...still better then chivas usa at the end....so what second(or third) worse isn't good.

      they then go into their funniest argument. They try to come up with a phrase 'organic attendance'. They say that increase in butts is a result in new teams/new stadiums. Again a really fun sounding argument to make. However, you can't take out the big numbers and argue and average. He again though makes his argument that I have the biggest issue.

      The first thing he does is drop 2017 from the numbers and 'special events' and this allows him to drop the club with the best butts number atlanta and drop the crews 9.8% drop this past season from the average. this taints everything right from the start. He creates his 'organic' number by throwing out the numbers that make it not accurate.

      Let me list the things he says 'don't count' in looking at the crews butts number.

      -their 9.8% drop this past season
      -everyones 2017 totals because only the galaxy had a bigger drop then the crew but still average more then 5K match more then crew
      -Atlanta's 48K aveage
      -Orlando's 32K average in their first season(and now almost sell out every match at new stadium)
      -montreals first season
      -houston's new stadium
      -sj new stadium

      the point I am trying to make is they are throwing out all the important numbers. you can skew numbers to say just about anything you want and they tried to do that but miss wildly.

      and maybe the best part at the very end the blogger admit that he put together a bs blog post with tainted analysis. The issue is taking responsibility for it being bs doesn't make it anything else but bs.

      he says he picked that year range for a few reason.
      1)after 2011 they made key hires in the ticket office.
      2)2017 they made some changes to the sales staff that didn't go well

      tell me these two things in themselves is not hilarious.

      he picked a small data sample to try to make it look like things are going well and he dropped the numbers in that range that hurt the result he was looking for. He then for 'specific' samples compared them not to another existing team but to the worst franchise every and said 'see crew are better then them' lol.

      sorry this is so long but just wan'ted you to see I read that garbage.
       
    15. Beau Dure

      Beau Dure Member+

      May 31, 2000
      Vienna, VA

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Catching up -- was anything interesting said since Dan's post at the beginning of page 2?
       
    16. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      No, just a Garber troll.
       
    17. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      I hurt strangers feelings with facts...facts should be ur friend. If they aren't you should reevaluate ur position.
       
    18. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Says the man that can't see the collusion between Carter, Garber and Sunil.

      Give it a rest skippy.
       
    19. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Lets look at what a troll account looks like.

      Joined in 2006. Made one post.

      Noting from 2006 until 2017, October.

      180+ posts since then, all in support of status quo fir USSF or negativity to anyone critical.

      Why would that be?

      Mods, can we check this poster for being a sock?
       
    20. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM


      Glad I'm not the only one that sees it.
       
    21. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      oh we all see it in ten years when the crew are in the third division....talking about how they started the league yada yada yada.

      It was all garbers fault lol.
       
    22. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      how come you didn't reply to any of my facts? because you have zero actual facts to support ur position.

      most people don't post and don't reply to people like you because its pointless.

      you give someone like you a fact and you yell 'alternate fact the crew have the best fans ever and are the best club ever...well better then chivas usa' and then when confronted with more facts 'fake news'.

      you are the reason people don't post here with all of your personal attacks.

      I also love how you hate the status quo...but yet the only reason the crew are in the top division after finishing in the bottom three last year...THE STATUS QUO REFUSING TO GO TO PRO/REL. the same people you bash are the ones who are keeping the crew up lol.

      for the record I am for pro/rel I think they need to let clubs like the crew and revolution die.
       
    23. USRufnex

      USRufnex Red Card

      Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
      United States
      Jul 15, 2000
      Tulsa, OK
      Club:
      --other--

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      MLS, Garber, Gulati, SUM and company are also "playas"
       
    24. USRufnex

      USRufnex Red Card

      Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
      United States
      Jul 15, 2000
      Tulsa, OK
      Club:
      --other--
      #74 USRufnex, Jan 7, 2018
      Last edited: Jan 7, 2018

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Condescend much?

      Oh wait... yes, as a matter of fact... why yes, you do...





      Peter Wilt Is Speaking At A Town Hall Event For Eric Wynalda
      Jan 6, 2018
       
    25. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM

      Tell you what. I'll go back and refute all the BS you posted, which is actually super easy to do since all the facts are easily found and referenced, if you answer one very specific question.

      Why Austin?

      It isn't going to have Atlanta, Seattle or Orlando size crowds, they are trying to build a stadium the size of CCS.

      Austin is almost identical in most measures to Columbus in size, domination of a large university, number of young hipsters, etc.

      So why does your boss think Austin will be so much better than Columbus?

      Answer that honestly and I will willfully engage in the rest of your stupidity.
       

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