By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
  1. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

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    #1 Dan Loney, Dec 29, 2017
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    Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

    By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
    I have spent the past few weeks carefully looking at the platforms and personalities of the men and women running for the position of President of the United States Soccer Federation. My conclusion is, I endorse the elimination of the position of the President of the United States Soccer Federation. If this is the quality of people we get running for the job, there must be something wrong with the job.

    I think the problem is that no one is really certain what the job is supposed to be. There’s a universal assumption that, just as FIFA rules world soccer, the USSF can and should exert a similar influence in the United States. Even the ones who talk of implementing progressive changes take for granted that they will have the power to do so, and should have the power to do so. It’s like seeing eight versions of Isildur vowing to use the One Ring for good.

    No, I will never apologize. My entire life has been leading up to that metaphor.

    This is also the first contested election in, for want of a better term, the Fan Era. The stakes for the 1990 Fricker v. Rothenberg battle were arguably higher, but just because there were millions of dollars at stake did not mean there were millions of fans paying attention. Fans don’t have a voice in this process – and don’t get me wrong, we should not. We are customers. We decided we have an interest in this, but that was our choice. And as Grant Wahl showed us this week, giving monkeys the vote is not always popular with the organ grinder community. But we’ll get to that.

    Steve Gans is the only person still in the race who had the donuts to challenge Sunil Gulati before October 10. Odds are if you’re reading this, it’s not gonna take you too long to figure out what changed on October 10. Should one draw conclusions about the viability of his candidacy based on the fact that seven other people piled on as soon as it was safe? Yes. You should. Every candidate’s platform is basically a series of promises to form committees and councils, but this one from Gans stood out:

    I will immediately halt and institute a moratorium on the current U.S. Soccer plan to centralize the State Referee Administrator responsibilities. An open, transparent and inclusive summit will then be held – with participation by all state associations – to jointly discuss any issues in the SRA program, and to consider any possible related improvements.

    No other candidate is bringing this subject up, so it’s fair to assume it’s meaningful to Gans. He wants to call a Council of Nicaea to address the issue – whatever the issue actually is. Gans may have suggestions for improvements, but the main problem seems to be centralization.

    Well, okay, that’s one way to tell candidates apart – it makes sense that some would be for more USSF authority, and some for less. Gans clearly feels the USSF should have less – wait, what’s this?

    I will create and participate in a task force of youth state associations and national affiliates to address and solve the counterproductive competition amongst sanctioning organizations which occurs beneath the topline of U.S. Soccer youth registration numbers. Such zero-sum competition is destructive to youth soccer and the youth development system, and these issues will be addressed and solved for the good of the game.

    It’s going to take an awfully strong central authority to put a stop to competition between youth soccer organizations.

    You will also have noticed that councils and committees and task forces and such play a significant role in Gans’ platform. But that’s okay, because councils and committees and task forces make up the most significant part of nearly every candidate’s platform.

    I believe you form a committee to do one of two things. Either you want nothing done at all but you want to fool people into thinking you’re trying, or you want something unpopular done and want to make sure everybody else gets to take the blame. Chief executive officers, chairpeople of boards of directors – these aren’t the sort of folks who are used to hearing a lot of backtalk in their daily lives. They’re certainly not going to go out of their way to get a bunch of people in a room to churn out something they oppose.

    People like to promise committees, because it sounds like other people have a voice in the process, even when the voices are there to be co-opted or compromised.

    If you go to michaelwinograd.net, you will learn about a renowned klezmer and world music clarinetist from Brooklyn. If, on the other hand, you go winogradussf.com, a domain name likely to be available some time in March 2018, you will read this promise from candidate Michael Winograd, speaking in the third person:

    Winograd will ensure that critical US Soccer decisions reflect input from all parts of the US Soccer landscape they affect. The selection of national team managers and technical directors; decisions on structures, policies and guidelines in youth soccer; negotiation of sponsorships and other key business transactions; and other fundamental decisions affecting the direction and success of US Soccer are too critical to be made without a deliberate, inclusive, and transparent process. Winograd will form advisory committees that include current and/or former players, coaches, managers, administrators and executives from all levels. And qualifications will be based on merit – people with pertinent skills and achievements and the proven ability to exercise good and objective judgment – not on politics, favoritism or principles of entrenchment.

    Those aren’t promises. Those are threats. The idea that, to pick an example not entirely at random, the Eastern New York State Soccer Association should have any meaningful input in who should coach the national teams is downright painful. There are areas of knowledge that can’t be crowd-sourced effectively, and hiring coaches and technical directors is….okay, it’s not up there with neuroscience, but I believe you see what I’m getting at.

    Winograd isn’t stupid, and presumably realizes this. Sunil Gulati’s expertise in choosing national team coaches was inadequate, and did not improve with experience. (What did he end up picking, three each for the men’s and women’s teams? Godalmighty.) There’s no good reason to leave decisions like this to King Mob. And there’s nothing here that says Winograd would do so. Input from advisory committees isn’t binding, still less when it’s from the break room at the construction site at the Tower of Babel.

    There aren’t many people running here who believe in the USSF President having less power. And it’s funny how youth soccer brings out the autocrat in everyone.

    We should take a fresh look at youth soccer’s organizational structure on a state by state basis. We need to implement uniform standards and ensure fairness across youth soccer in all states, and then work together to structure the youth landscape in any given state in a way that makes the most sense for that state, taking into account existing entities, geography, demographics and other key factors. And we must clearly define that structure and its individual components to the consumer.

    One way to achieve what works best for an individual state would be to leave it to the individual state. Winograd, like Gans, and like most of the other candidates, would sooner crawl on broken glass.

    Eric Wynalda announced his run something like a week before Winograd, but over a week after the Trinidad debacle – after spending literally years hemming and hawing about it. He would have been in a much better position had he made a stand before it was safe – but judging by his campaign web site, probably not. There’s no platform, just a series of pinheaded videos under three minutes each. The closest thing to an actual plan is in the Four Four Two interview he did with Scott French. His twin planks are promotion and relegation on the one hand, and a winter-to-spring schedule on the other.

    Let’s put aside for a moment whether either of these are good ideas. Wynalda presumably knows that no US league is doing either of these things voluntarily, but assumes the USSF President has the power to force these policies onto member organizations. It’s a little troubling when people spend years complaining about Sunil Gulati exercising too much power, only to find out the solution is to change the name of the person exercising that power.

    It was not Wynalda that sounded the knell for the Gulati administration, but Carlos Cordeiro. Until Kathy Carter entered the race, Cordeiro was routinely summed up as Gulati’s right-hand man. Apparently the two had a split, probably due to Cordeiro realizing that Gulati was ambulatory dead meat before Gulati did.

    There is a great deal on Codeiro’s platform that deserves serious discussion and consideration. In fact, he would probably make a very good USSF President, my glib click-baity dismissal of the entire process notwithstanding. But if you considered Gans and Winograd, and thought, “I like them, but they don’t suggest enough committees”? Have we got a guy for you!

    These are the planks in Cordeiro’s platform that stood out the most, to me, anyway?

    Have a truly independent President who is beholden to no one, listens to and treats all members of our community fairly, is transparent, abides by checks and balances, and works collaboratively to bring all stakeholders together around common goals; [and]

    Empower the Board to play a greater role in all Federation activities, including the creation of two new board-level committees: a technical committee, chaired by an Athlete Director, to oversee soccer operations, and a commercial committee, chaired by an independent director, to oversee all USSF commercial activities, including marketing and TV broadcast rights[….]

    That first paragraph is quite the slap at Sunil Gulati, unless all this time Cordeiro’s held a grudge against the late Dr. Bob Contiguglia (EDIT - good news! He's not dead! Why did I think that? The world may never know). And it’s a refreshing acknowledgement that checks and balances in USSF exist, rather than depend on the whim of the executive.

    The commercial committee idea seems like a reference to Soccer United Marketing, and not necessarily a kindly one. It reads like he’s talking about putting a cop on their corner, especially if we go by “independent director.” Cordeiro might, in fact, have been wrongly dismissed as a status quo candidate. I’d be extremely interested to hear Cordeiro elaborate on this.

    And apparently I’m the only one who would be, since there’s literally a lawsuit going on about this very topic and the genius plaintiffs don’t even seem to have asked Cordeiro for an opinion.

    It’s worth noting that Wynalda seems to loathe Carlos Cordeiro on a personal level, judging by the Scott French interview. In case you’re wondering how close this was going to be to a full-on Cordeiro endorsement.

    Two other former US national team players joined the race, and I like to think both of them joined specifically to annoy Eric Wynalda. Wynalda certainly treated Kyle Martino dismissively enough, and continues to. Paul Caligiuri, on the other hand, is one of the few men who outranks Wynalda on the legendariness scale.

    Kyle Martino has been agonizingly slow with specifics, and irritatingly quick with accusations – he and Wynalda need to form a joint ticket. Or a podcast. Martino, like Wynalda, is given to dark accusations of blackballing and reprisals against those who place toes against lines with insufficient enthusiasm. In complete fairness, Martino has endorsed an idea where little soccer goals could be placed under basketball hoops in city playgrounds. It’s a pretty poor excuse for inclusion, but then again, at least it’s an idea.

    Paul Caligiuri is not campaigning online, and doesn’t have a web-based platform. In case you were wondering how close this was going to be to a full-on Caligiuri endorsement.

    The true insider candidate rolled around in December, when it became apparent that even this crop was preferable to Four More Years.

    Sometime between November and now women started playing soccer, so someone had the bright idea to get a woman to run for USSF President. Kathy Carter’s platform is unusually light, even for this field. It really boils down to whether you believe “President of Soccer United Marketing” is a qualification or not. There’s nothing Carter is going to do to win over someone who has the fears of all SUM.

    Carter is also running an old-fashioned USSF campaign, which means meeting the people who actually have the vote. It was ridiculous to think that the President of SUM would not have the endorsement of the Chief Executive Officer of SUM, so people should not have been appalled that Don Garber was campaigning for her. Sunil Gulati, on the other hand, was pretending not to have endorsed anyone, at least until Grant Wahl followed up on endorsements from a couple of Eastern Seaboard soccer associations.

    Did I mention we’re dealing with a bunch of guys who are used to making decisions and are not used to being second-guessed? For all you who expected soccer associations to poll their membership on who they would support – did it hurt? When you fell off the tomato truck? You knew Carter was the insider candidate already, wipe the shocked look off your face.

    Then there’s Hope Solo, who…is putting together a clear and consistent platform backed up with the passion and sincerity of her beliefs. Everyone has made up their mind about Hope Solo, which is fine, but that doesn’t mean she’s not as serious a candidate as literally any of the others.

    If the theory is that you want a change candidate? If you want someone who is really going to change the old boy network, reshape the way the Federation does business, give more attention to the women’s program, give more outreach to poor and under-served communities? Solo is your candidate. Yes, she’s one of the least diplomatic people in the sport, but then, so is Wynalda.

    I know, it’s unfair to compare Solo to Wynalda. Solo has won championships. And Solo’s platform is coherent.

    There’s something irritating about USA Today, for example, saying Solo can’t win because of her previous controversial remarks.

    The problem for Solo is that she isn’t the only former player running, but she is the only one with a hostile relationship with the federation. She won’t be able to overcome that.”

    Emphasis in original.

    Hey, let’s go back and see what Wynalda told Scott French about the USSF:

    “I completely hated my experience with the United States Soccer Federation from 1989 until now. There hasn’t been a time in any of that that I trusted their motives, where I didn’t feel that I was being manipulated or deceived or lied to or essentially ruled by fear. We have been told, ‘Cooperate and comply or we don’t need you. Take it or leave it. Ninety/ten is our idea of a partnership,’ and then we’re expected to wear the crest and be proud and go represent our country. It doesn’t work that way. It’s been that way for too long…Playing for the national team really is not something that anybody enjoys anymore. And that’s mainly because of the relationship with their federation is horrible. And that has gone back the last couple of decades. Anybody that has played for the national team will tell you without hesitation that they hate their federation.”

    But Solo is the irrational one. Why, she can barely form a coherent thought:

    Hope Solo says she will eliminate sexism and discrimination in her campaign statement. She did not offer how she would do that. She didn’t write a paragraph about it. She didn’t even write a complete sentence about how she would eliminate two things that have existed in our society since its inception. Just know that she’s gonna do that. Sexism and discrimination in soccer? Boom. Gone.

    Yes, Hope’s platform was collected into bullet points. The thinking behind those bullet points was spelled out in detail in her Facebook post and the “Why I’m running” section.

    Now, if one were to say that Solo, too, assumes a USSF President bestowed with limitless power for good or evil, then yes, that would be a fair criticism. If you were to tell me that Solo, like most of the other candidates, is running for dictator, I would listen attentively.

    But calling Solo unrealistic and unclear in the same race where Silent Cal doesn’t even have a website, and Eric Wynalda promises to ban summer soccer? Asinine.

    The United States Soccer Federation is a licensing organization. It provides a bureaucracy to handle player contracts, manage leagues and tournaments, administer the laws, and occasionally promote the game.

    Lately it has achieved attention for assembling a series of men’s and women’s all-star teams to compete with other national teams in various competitions. Those are the Federation’s primary revenue sources, and by the way the source of every single one of its fans.

    The mission for the USSF is the following:

    Stop losing;

    Stop getting sued;

    Host the World Cup.

    Instead, we will get someone whose mission will be to continue to consolidate power, for whatever perceived good. I believe Pete Townshend had the final word when it came to making introductions with recently-ascended overseers.
     
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Okay, fine. Who ya got?

  1. Gans

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  2. Wynalda

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  3. Winograd

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  4. Cordeiro

    7 vote(s)
    13.2%
  5. Caligiuri

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  6. Martino

    3 vote(s)
    5.7%
  7. Carter

    17 vote(s)
    32.1%
  8. Solo

    11 vote(s)
    20.8%

Comments

Discussion in 'Articles' started by Dan Loney, Dec 29, 2017.

    1. Dan Loney

      Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

      Mar 10, 2000
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      Los Angeles Sol
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      Philippines
      #26 Dan Loney, Jan 3, 2018
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      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Quoted for truth. This is where I usually add that Sunil Gulati ran the only honest World Cup bids for 2018 and 2022, according to the Garcia Report.

      Oh, and around the time those scandals were breaking, the FBI, thanks to Chuck Blazer, was looking up US Soccer and Sunil Gulati with a fine tooth enema bag. Sunil's a free man. I'm going to go ahead and put two and two together.

      There are lots of reasons to be glad Gulati is gone - Hope Solo could give you a few off the top of her head - and "cleanest guy in FIFA" isn't exactly a Webelos badge, but Sunil should be slammed for what Sunil actually did, not what we imagine must have happened.
       
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    2. USRufnex

      USRufnex Red Card

      Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
      United States
      Jul 15, 2000
      Tulsa, OK
      Club:
      --other--

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      948349101732761600 is not a valid tweet id
       
    3. USRufnex

      USRufnex Red Card

      Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
      United States
      Jul 15, 2000
      Tulsa, OK
      Club:
      --other--

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      I have more respect for Aaron Davidson than I will ever have for Gulati or Blazer.
      And I have more respect for what Peter Wilt is trying to accomplish than any of the three I mentioned above.

      Change is needed.
      And candidates with obvious conflicts of interest like Carter need not apply.
       
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    4. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      I don't like mls at all its a bad league but its the most successful league the country has ever had. So anything going forward should be off that success the idea that burning it down and starting over with an 8 team nasl league is a terrible idea(not to mention the teams in that league stink).

      garber isn't a criminal he is looking out for his league...which is his job. its like saying jeff bezos is a criminal because the a bookstore on the corner can't compete with him. Its not his job to help that bookstore its his job to run amazon and look out for amazon. Gerber job isn't to look out for the nasl and mls is what is keeping usl alive so he is helping them. To say he should do something that will greatly diminish the value of the teams whose owners put him in his job to look out for the league is just silly and shows you are acting completely on emotion and not facts.

      You can't even get the difference between nasl, sum, mls and ussf and their roles.

      nasl is a league whose owners/commish job is to help their league and no other league/entity

      mls is a league whose owners/commish job is to help their league and no other league/entity

      sum is the FOR PROFIT marketing arm of mls the by far biggest league in the country and exclusive marketing partner for the ussf and their job is to market for the league and is paid by ussf to market the sport

      ussf job is the promotion and sanctioning of the sport in the us.

      I am a fact troll; I don't care about your emotions or feelings I only care about facts. NASL is garbage in an open system it would disappear overnight. They have trouble funding teams year to year. Its a myth that promoting a team from that garbage to be slaughtered in mls for a season would help it.

      You are run by your emotions that is why you say the garbage about hope solo. How would setting soccer back in the us by 20 years help anything. Improvements/changes need to be made but the fact is that they need to be made moving forward not going backwards.

      yes I have been around the sport much longer then you and clearly know more but I am not sure how that is a negative and if you are reading into my user name...well stranger danger to you kiddo.
       
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    5. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM

      but what about wynalda and his conflicts

      solo and hers

      ganz and his

      everyone has conflicts its a myth to think that there is a way that people wouldn't have conflicts.
       
    6. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Garber is moving the Crew out of Columbus and he lied, repeatedly, about why. His league can rot in hell for all I care.

      He isn't looking out for anything but himself. The league is built on expansion fees, not team revenue. If you weren't a troll you would know that.

      And what YOU don't understand is that there are no lines between any of the entities you listed, which is why Garber and Sunil are lobbying so hard for Carter. She will be a puppet if elected.

      I couldn't care less if the NASL disappears tomorrow. I have no idea why you think I do, maybe the bot needs reprogrammed?

      You know nothing about me. nothing. for you to make this kind of statement really does prove your bot/troll status.

      FTR, I had HS teammates that played on the xoggs. Go look that up and figure out how long I have been around the game.
       
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    7. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      -no the crew are moving their franchise out of ohio because of a weak fanbase and lack of local tv deal.

      -rot in hell...I can see you are being very mature about it all I mean emotions are fun but lets grow up. If you didn't care...you wouldn't post about it nonstop. I don't care about the wnba...I couldn't name a team....am not mad at anyone involved because I don't care about them. See how that works...you care A LOT.

      -well duh obviously expansion is paying the bills right now that is why they are expanding nonstop. Everybody knows that and that is why the ussf is trying to help mls right now. precourt is trying to avoid folding the franchise by moving it because he can't make any money. The owner of a club/franchise should only care about their club and league. They shouldn't care about Miami fc at all. Although its strange because you said you didn't care so none of this matters to you anyway.

      -no lines..again you don't care but saying that there is no difference between the nasl/mls/ussf is a little strange since the nasl is suing ussf because they won't give them d2 status. Again you don't care but with wynalda that won't change. He is just promising nasl owners that they'll get more money is all.

      again strange you repeatedly say you don't care..yet you post about it nonstop saying the nasl can disappear tomorrow but you are upset...wait but you don't care that they are being mistreated by ussf.

      you really need to be reprogrammed. I think trump wynalda has you programmed wrong you keep posting...because you don't care ha.

      on that note #CARTERFORPRESIDENT she is the only one that can help save ussf and soccer in this country from the fate wynalda trump would drive us into.
       
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    8. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      My thoughts are confirmed.

      You are being reported as a troll.
       
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    9. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      you care A LOT.

      just because I insist on facts instead of emotions don't take it so hard.
       
    10. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      I care a lot for a sport that was taught to me by my immigrant father and mother. A sport I have played for 40+ years. A sport I taught my daughter, who now plays in college.

      I care for my local club, The Columbus Crew. I follow teams from Europe because I enjoy watching the game at the highest level.

      What I do not care about is corrupt assholes using MY game and MY loyalty to pad their pockets. Your cock swallowing opinion of Garber, Sunil and, according to the head of the ENYSSL, "that girl", is absolutely horrifying to someone who loves the GAME.

      You have no facts, just talking points from a corrupt asshole. It's people like you that will force people like me completely out of the game in the US if the Columbus Crew move, if Cathy Carter gets elected and if Garber continues as head of MLS.

      If you want facts, take a look at crewnotdoneyet.com or savethecrew.com.

      But you won't because you are a troll.
       
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    11. scott47a

      scott47a Member+

      Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
      Feb 6, 2007
      Austin, Texas
      Club:
      Seattle Sounders
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Weird how this degenerated into a shouting match.

      Or maybe not. One thing I've learned about soccer fans in the USA is they are more than happy to eat their own. We all try to kill each other every day - "you're a eurosnob," "you're a pro/rel troll," "you're an MLS apologist" rather than supporting growing the sport.

      I mean it's OK to disagree on how the sport should be grown, but this constant in-fighting is holding soccer back.
       
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    12. Cavan9

      Cavan9 Member

      Nov 16, 2011
      Silver Spring, MD
      Club:
      DC United
      Nat'l Team:
      United States
      #37 Cavan9, Jan 4, 2018
      Last edited: Jan 4, 2018

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Fixed that for you.

      Also, pro-rel/NASL zealots clearly have much more free time than the rest of us. Hence why they are able to answer every little comment in every comment thread on the entire internet all day long. This level of vitriolic commenting makes video game or comic book fanboys look like moderates.
       
    13. Cavan9

      Cavan9 Member

      Nov 16, 2011
      Silver Spring, MD
      Club:
      DC United
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Did you make this graphic yourself? Nobody has done any "scientific" polling for the USSF elections like in an election for U.S. President, Senator, state Senator, etc. because no polling firm would attach its name to something that is as niche as caring about the USSF President.

      Also, shouldn't a poll for a USSF Presidential election focus on people who actually have votes?

      This is on top of the fact that the numbers on this graphic are clearly pulled out of thin air, don't account for the different sizes of those fanbases, and don't account for crossover fans (for example, I'm an MLS fan, USMNT, USWMT, and soon-to-be USL fan. Many of my friends and rec league teammates also follow an EPL team on top of MLS and the national teams.).
       
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    14. Cavan9

      Cavan9 Member

      Nov 16, 2011
      Silver Spring, MD
      Club:
      DC United
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      When Eric Stover's twitter account is your main source of information, it's time to hang it up.
       
    15. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      wait so now you care...facts are important being an immigrant has nothing to do with anything. I don't care if you played it for 1000+ years.

      your local club is terrible the answer is for them to be dropped down to
      I agree and while I shouldn't get into these arguments with guys like stranger its tough not to.

      Wyanlda really isn't helping either. It is such a myth that just snapping his fingers and making us soccer a fully open system(which the phrase itself doesn't mean open as in well open) will all of a sudden be a huge financial gain for nasl/usl and every tiny league barely holding on.

      I don't want to rant again but its just a huge myth.

      and stranger is worse because he is a crew fan. He doesn't get it I went to those websites and all they contain are a small group of fans who want their franchise to stay. Seattle wanted their basketball team to stay...they moved and now that franchise went from operation at a loss to profitable. It was good for the league and franchise sure it stunk for the seattle basketball fans but it is what it is.
       
    16. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      So reading comprehension isn't your thing.

      First, The Columbus Crew is not terrible by any way you would want to qualtify your opinion. That statement clearly demonstrates you have not watched MLS.

      Second, you didn't go to either website. That is also clear from your statement.

      I would think Garber would be able to hire trolls that aren't as obvious as you are. Every post you makes you look like an idiot.
       
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    17. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      see the name calling is why you have zero credibility. You don't know me at all stop with the childish act it reflects poorly on you, your family and immigrants across this country. you go to the name calling and stuff because you don't have facts on ur side. you attack people because you are a child and immature and enjoy the ability to hide behind a screen name its not a good look.

      I went to both websites and there is nothing there worth a penny. There is just a lot of complaints about the owner/mls and how bad everyone is but no facts just feelings.

      just an fyi for your wonderful crew...how do you think you would've enjoyed last year in the usl or nasl whatever league they would've sent you too. small parks 5000 fans at matches..man that would've been fun huh.
       
    18. barroldinho

      barroldinho Member+

      Man Utd and LA Galaxy
      England
      Aug 13, 2007
      US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
      Club:
      Manchester United FC
      Nat'l Team:
      England

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      I'm guessing your respect for Davidson is agenda-based.

      After all, if you don't take serious issue with him and his conduct, you really can't complain about Gulati (has he actually been implicated in anything at this point) and Blazer.
       
    19. Cavan9

      Cavan9 Member

      Nov 16, 2011
      Silver Spring, MD
      Club:
      DC United
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Save the Crew and Pro-rel zealotry are not related to each other, despite pro-rel zealot attempts to latch onto a sound cause.

      I am against pro-rel in our country because it would solve no problems and create many. I am also for keeping the Crew in Columbus. Don't conflate the two issues.
       
    20. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      they are the same issue because the people that are blindly for both pro-rel and crew in columbus have the same mythical complaints.

      Garber/MLS/Sum/US Soccer are evil and corrupt and that is why the crew are leaving and thats why there isn't pro-rel. that is why they are the same issue.

      the crew is a terrible usl/nasl level club and should be moved if the league/owner thinks they can be better financially somewhere else.

      the irony of course is that the proof that the crew are a disaster...would've been made fact has their been pro/rel in the us so one of ur arguments would've proved the other wrong. I mean the crew can do well financially now...how do you think they'd be doing right now in the usl or nasl or whatever the second tier is if not lower lol.
       
    21. barroldinho

      barroldinho Member+

      Man Utd and LA Galaxy
      England
      Aug 13, 2007
      US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
      Club:
      Manchester United FC
      Nat'l Team:
      England

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      The Crew aren't a disaster though. 15k attendance is below average for MLS but okay for global soccer. Then again, MLS has reasonable attendances in general by that metric.

      The other side to that coin though, is that the place they're trying to move to is Austin, whose last team were every bit as below average as the Crew, except it was below average for the minor leagues. They also got moved and became Orlando City SC, so by your logic, there's not a great argument for moving an existing MLS team there - especially when MLS has markets with existing fan support like FC Cincinatti and Sacramento Republic competing for a single expansion slot.
       
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    22. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member+

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Ok disaster was harsh they are a really weak club and not one that should be in the top tier of a system.

      Nice note on the attendance but while you admit its below average...the truth is they finished 20th out of the 22 mls clubs...so they weren't below average they were terrible and it decreased almost 10% from the year before...thats pretty terrible.

      my argument is simple...stop adding teams to the league and get the 22 they have in good situations where they can function without expansion fees holding them up and then look into pro/rel by setting up a second division that will also need teams that are stable. Clubs like the crew only exist because mls is holding them up.
       
    23. (They call him) RMc

      Jun 1, 2013
      Club:
      Celtic FC

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      If this is the quality of people we get running for (President of the United States Soccer Federation), there must be something wrong with the job.

      To be fair, this could be said about most "President" jobs.
       
    24. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Yeah, a really weak club that made the semi-final this year, hosted the final in 2015.

      In no way, shape or form is your discription of the Columbus Crew accurate.
       
      Feraligatr19 and The Franchise repped this.
    25. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Since I know the other guy won't look, here is a link you should read.

      https://blog.savethecrew.com/2017/12/mls-has-not-left-columbus-behind-in-attendance/#post-268
       

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