Abolish the Draft

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by adam tash, May 8, 2014.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
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    But how is that any different than Bayern paying $13.5 million for Alphonso Davies and playing him in 3. Liga until he's ready to step up?

    To use an American example where is last year's top MLB first round draft pick Casey Mize?

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    Answer, he's playing for the Tigers' affiliate in the Florida State League.
     
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  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except when you (in another thread) call for a U-23 team in MLS explicitly so that young player can get more playing time.
     
  3. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    u-23 does not = draft picks.

    the mechanism works in closed-loop sports like NFL, NBA, MLB - where the pool of players available to players is open to be drafted all-inclusive and finite.

    college players are STRUGGLING to make a mark in MLS these days and make any headway whatsoever.

    They could benefit from being able to have some say in which MLS team they sign for (if any).....

    Parity will not be impacted at all if the draft goes away...

    but college players might acutally have a better chance of sticking with an MLS team if they are more empowered and have a say in the process of what team they sign for.

    All that said, we haven't even mentioned homegrowns - I personally think they should be able to pick their MLS team as well....just as all other soccer leagues in the world do it.

    Let all players pick which team they sign for - and more players - draft picks, homegrowns, free agents, etc - will flourish.

    this is about MLS being better for its players. which will, in turn, be better for MLS. nothing else.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Nr Kingston NY
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    United States
    #554 Paul Berry, Apr 28, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2019
    You mean like how Jordan Morris picked the team he wanted to sign for?

    Once the league abandons home grown territories players will be able to avoid the draft by signing home-grown contracts.

    That's assuming they haven't been in a club's academy system.
     
  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't look now but the 2019 Rookie of the Year was a kid that came out of the draft...
     
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  6. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    True, and well deserved. he was quite good this year. But, just spit-balling here, if there had been no draft, as a DU product couldn't he have ended up with the Rapids and had the exact same season?
     
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  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah but he's a foreigner.
     
  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
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    Philadelphia Union
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    United States
    Most rookie of the years will come out of the draft. Home Grown players are usually ineligible since by the time they have a breakout season they have already been professionals for a year or more. As soon as they get playing time in USL/sign a pro contract they are ineligible for the rookie of the year award the year they typically breakout. This is why Brendon Arronson, was not eligible for the award this season, and Austin Trusty and Mark McKenzie weren't eligible last season.
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Arronson was one of three finalists and finished second in the voting.
     
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also Baird, last year's RotY was a HG, as was Morris in 2016.
     
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to say something kind of shocking here. I think MLS needs to drop the draft to 2 rounds for a couple of years, then when they get to 30 teams dump the draft.

    But in its place they should establish another "allocation ranking" style list that's for graduated college players. Everyone gets one pick and can move up (or down) the ranking if teams in front of them pass or if they want to trade rankings.

    Essentially reduce it to a one round draft but not everyone has to participate. That will cover whatever immediate value is still available coming out of college.
     
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  12. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    But what would SKC trade away?
    I mean, seriously, the third and fourth round picks were just announced. These are clearly for, at best, USL sides. It's kind of unfair to have top league sides draft for their second sides. I can't imagine that, for instance, SKC wouldn't be just as able to sign the talent they hope to develop in an open market. I guess it's closer to baseball, with a few players who make it seem more like the NBA or NFL.
     
  13. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    heres an article that i agree a lot with...not sure if i totallly buy the slotting system discussed

    but I think it behooves the NCAA teams to push for the draft to go away for the benefit of themselves as a legit pathway to pro

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianqui...ually-an-argument-against-the-mls-superdraft/

    never have I argued that there isnt talent in college or in the draft!!

    i just think the rules on how that talent gets into MLS need to change...(become more free with player empowerment)
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Nr Kingston NY
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    But soccer players have more control than players in other sports.

    They can join a MLS academy, a USL team, go directly to Europe or go to college where they can enter the draft after their freshman year.

    Dike chose college over joining MLS directly. Buchanan chose college over Toronto FC because he wanted to follow his coach. Both have got transfers to Europe within 3 years of being drafted.

    Morris is another who was at Seattle when he chose to go to Stanford. He rejoined Seattle before graduating. He's chosen to stay at Seattle when he could probably get a lucrative move to Europe.
     
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  15. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    not sure what your point is.

    american athletes have more control in soccer? or soccer players globally have more control than other global sports?

    regardless soccer players in the us dont have enough control

    ask miles robinson, bello, acosta, arriola, etc if they think they have enough control

    even beyond them....which is actually more salient...how many matt turners and tajon buchanons never saw the light of day professionally bc they wound up on the wrong club to get them exposure?

    MLS will make more money in transfers if they dont force players to submit to a draft mechanism

    getting rid of the draft will give amateur players the control they need to make the best decision for their future and miximize chances of success

    the whole parity angle of a draft - which is essentially the main reason to have a draft - is non-existent in todays MLS
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure what you mean.

    Acosta signed a contract in 2019. He's on a 7 figure salary and will be a free agent if he chooses at the end of the season.

    Robinson will be a free agent at the end of next year.

    Darren Eales has said that Bello will move to Europe when the "right offer" comes along.

    How is this different to foreign leagues?

    Not sure what's happening with Arriola. Has he hinted he's unhappy? He left Liga MX to join MLS on a 7 figure salary and signed a contract extension in 2020.
     
  17. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    high compensation relative to historical norms in MLS doesnt address the issue of allowing players to go to higher level competition when they are ready for it.

    arriola wasnt allowed to leave. same with acosta. both wanted to.

    this isnt about how much relative control MLS players have or not....and it definitely isnt about salaries mitigating a lack of control!

    the draft as a mechanism requires amateur players to give up more control than they do in any other soccer league with worse outcomes across the board.

    msl teams are passsing on picks and most drafted players fail to stick in the MLS....

    again....ending the draft will empower those players who need empowerment....the ones who dont have much power in the current setup

    even well compensated ones like arriola and acosta are not being best served....but the ones lower down the totem pole have it 10 times worse
     
  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

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    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    #568 JasonMa, Jan 27, 2022
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2022
    End of next season (his contract has a team option year for 2023)

    Acosta came through Dallas' youth academy, was signed as a homegrown player, and then signed a contract extension with Colorado. He wanted to go to Europe, tough. He agreed to a contract and the team will decide if they want to (trade/sell) him until the end of that contract, not the player. This is exactly how it works everywhere in the world. The draft has nothing to do with it.
     
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  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
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    United States
    If players are under contract they can't leave without the agreement of both parties.

    This is no different to any other league.

    In UEFA players are free agents at 23. In MLS its now 24.
     
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  20. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS needs to relax its player controls a bit

    including not forcing college players to go through a draft

    let them sign with any team and regualte it with a slotting system a la MLB if you have to
     
  21. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS is shooting itself in the foot by not letting players like Miles Robinson go

    i thought they had it figured out with the recent openness to selling

    but some clubs are still stubborn

    MLS is a feeder league

    if it doesnt want to be a feeder league...then get rid of the salary cap
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    United States
    It's up to Darren Eales at Atlanta, not MLS. Robinson signed a four year contract in 2019. What don't you understand about contracts?

    College players don't have to go through a draft. Example: Jordan Morris.
     
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  23. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so you just want status quo in everything then?
     
  24. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i understand what is the law...

    go back to when miles was in college and then ask is this path hes on the best one he couldve been on?

    he had to go through a draft...which hasnt helped him get to where he could be as fast as possible

    time will tell if his career arc is hampered by that...but good chance yes
     
  25. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No team let's every player go just because they get an offer for that player.. Every team has a value in mind for offers that they'll accept and every team has a value they are willing to pay to get a player. It is entirely okay for teams to not come to an agreement over that price...
     
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