A3 Mazda Champions League: Feb 16-22

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  1. Matsu

    Matsu Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    #1 Matsu, Jan 20, 2003
    The schedule for the first Asian Champions League tournament was announced today. The event will take place in Tokyo, at National Stadium, and will Include J.League champions Jubilo Iwata and League Cup champions Kashima Antlers, as well as Jia-A champion Dalian and Songnam from Korea. Apparently Japan was allowed to have two entrants because they are paying to host the first event (and also because Mazda is the sponsor) but assuming that the event continues in future years, the holders will be the fourth team and the winners of K-League, J.League and C-League will be the other three.

    Schedule:
    Feb 16 -- 13:00 Jubilo vs Songnam
    ----------- 17:00 Antlers vs Dalian
    Feb 19 -- 16:00 Dalian vs Songnam
    ----------- 19:00 Jubilo vs Antlers
    Feb 22 -- 13:30 Songnam vs Antlers
    ----------- 16:30 Dalian vs Jubilo

    The winner is determined by the top team of the round robin matches. There is no playoff for the final match.
     
  2. Yuke

    Yuke New Member

    Dec 8, 2001
    Japan
    #2 Yuke, Jan 20, 2003
    It is nice that this tournamet makes up the Dynasty Cup that was abolished in '98, even though the Dynasty Cup was for national teams.

    But I don't like the way the media is treating this tournament as the tournament to determine the strongest league in the 3 countries.

    This tournament takes place before the season starts. I believe non of the 4 clubs in this tournament are in good shape. The real place to determine the true champions is the Asian Champions League.

    I know this is more or less experimental and political to bolster the status of east asian football in AFC though.
     
  3. Matsu

    Matsu Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    #3 Matsu, Jan 20, 2003
    I think it will be a good publicity event. It happens right at the start of the season, and no other football is being played, so it will get lots of attention. I agree, though. It wont really prove anything about which team is strongest.

    On the other hand, I think the same is true about the Asian club championships. Teams dont bring their top players, and treat it as a second priority after their domestic league.Asia still has a long way to go before it becomes like the European champions league.
     
  4. LiveinYokohama

    LiveinYokohama New Member

    Dec 1, 2001
    #4 LiveinYokohama, Jan 22, 2003
    I think that A3 Mazda Championsip is unnecessary.
    Since there is already Asia Champions League(ACL), it overlaps.

    ChungMongJoon(Korean soccer association) demanded this championship strongly.
    Why?
    It is for activating declined K-league.
    Now, K-league has very few spectators.
    Therefore, K-league club want to play a match against the J-League club.
    And they want Japanese money.(A sponsor is Mazda Motor)

    The championship prize of K-league is only 100 million won(10 million yen).
    The championship prize of A3 Mazda Championsip is 48 million yen. 2nd team is 24 million yen. 3rd team is 18 million yen. Even 4th team is 12 million yen.
     
  5. Korea_Fighting

    Korea_Fighting Red Card

    Jun 17, 2002
    #5 Korea_Fighting, Jan 22, 2003
    Re: Re: A3 Mazda Champions League: Feb 16-22

    so desu ka?
     
  6. n00bie deluxe

    n00bie deluxe New Member

    Aug 31, 2002
    #6 n00bie deluxe, Jan 22, 2003
    Well, if all 3 FAs didn't agree on it, it wouldn't have been held. I don't think this is necessarily in conflict or an alternative to the official AFC Champ. League, it's more like a regional tourney, like the Tiger Cup (unless with clubs instead of NTs).

    But yeah, the thing is chances are one (or two) of these teams will probably be in an AFC Champ. League final (the following year).
     
  7. LiveinYokohama

    LiveinYokohama New Member

    Dec 1, 2001
    #7 LiveinYokohama, Jan 22, 2003
    ChungMongJoon's purpose is money.

    Therefore, although there is a merit in Korea, Japan does not have a merit.
     
  8. n00bie deluxe

    n00bie deluxe New Member

    Aug 31, 2002
    #8 n00bie deluxe, Jan 22, 2003
    I don't get it. If J-League felt so strongly against it and thought it was a loser, they'd tell K-League and Jia-A they'd pass. Further, Mazda wouldn't be sponsoring it if they didn't think they'd make some money on it either directly (or through promoting the Mazda name).
     
  9. Matsu

    Matsu Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    #9 Matsu, Jan 22, 2003
    Dont pay attention.

    This guy is just a Japanese clone of Looloo and Casual. Anything involving Koreans or Chinese must be a conspiracy. It cant possibly be any good (even if two Japanese teams are participating), because it is supported by the KFA.

    No point in arguing with logic like that.
     
  10. Yuke

    Yuke New Member

    Dec 8, 2001
    Japan
    #10 Yuke, Jan 22, 2003
    Re: Re: A3 Mazda Champions League: Feb 16-22

    Wrong!

    Chung MongJoon has millions of money.
     
  11. LiveinYokohama

    LiveinYokohama New Member

    Dec 1, 2001
    #11 LiveinYokohama, Jan 23, 2003
    Re: Re: Re: A3 Mazda Champions League: Feb 16-22

    You do not understand my opinion.

    Yes.
    ChungMongJoon is rich.
    He does not want money.

    I want to say.
    K-league club want money.
    understand?
     
  12. Sukhwa

    Sukhwa Member

    Jul 29, 2002
    Korea
    #12 Sukhwa, Jan 23, 2003
    Re: Re: Re: Re: A3 Mazda Champions League: Feb 16-22

    Songnam spent quite a lot to improve their squad so it's only natural that they want more money. If there's going to be some tournement where they will get some much needed cash, of course they're going to be enthusiastic about it. This is the same for just about every single club there is on this planet. However, don't make it sound as if the K-League is bullying J-League in order steal money off them. Understand?
     
  13. watanabe2k

    watanabe2k Member

    Sep 22, 2000
    Illinois, but Japan
    Club:
    Jubilo Iwata
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    #13 watanabe2k, Jan 23, 2003
    sorry, but now I have to start talking about Jubilo again! I don't know how well we will do without Takahara though...........
     
  14. Yuke

    Yuke New Member

    Dec 8, 2001
    Japan
    #14 Yuke, Jan 23, 2003
    Re: Re: Re: Re: A3 Mazda Champions League: Feb 16-22

    J.League clubs also want the prize money as well as they want to prepare for the upcoming season through this pre-season tournament.

    The 3 teams saw the merits to their own interests and have agreed to participate in the tournament. If they want the money, that's fine. If they want to build up and check out their state of condition, that's their choice.

    And what is your big problem?
     
  15. Korean Football

    Korean Football New Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    U.S.
    #15 Korean Football, Jan 23, 2003
    Re: Re: Re: Re: A3 Mazda Champions League: Feb 16-22

    and J-League or C-League clubs don't want any money?

    When Mazda decided to sponsor it, there's a reason. I guess when Hyundai got to sponsor the WC2002, the rest of the world just wanted the money off of Hyundai.
     
  16. Korean Football

    Korean Football New Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    U.S.
    #16 Korean Football, Jan 23, 2003
    Re: Re: A3 Mazda Champions League: Feb 16-22

    for some reason, the way he writes seem very similar to that of the emails which some Japanese fans sent to Feyenoord in order to stop Namil Kim going to Feyenoord.


    ----------
    (an email claiming that N.Kim does not have much marketing values and thus Feyenoord should not take Kim. I found it at SoccerWorld,and it was originally found at EnjoyJapan)
    ---------

    Nam-il Kim lost his marketing value in the Korea. The reasons

    ¨ç¡¡first reason

    In South Korea, after 2002 world cup, many Korean people had interested in football. Many Koreans visit their K-league matches. The number of audience was get at 30,000 per 1 match.

    But the football bubble was over now.

    In november, K-league audience was lower less than 5000. Their love for football was generated in nationalism, not in pure motivation for football.


    So, the Korea football market was in the cold.
    Please you must research the case.


    ¨èsecond

    Some media mentioned that Nam-il Kim has 400,000 fan.But, the story was doubt. Because, the number of fan was made only internet £¼signature>. Everyone can register the name, only to one-click on the 'register form'

    They can register the name much number of players. And maybe, they don't have the ambitious for buying goods or visiting your stadium.
    --------
     
  17. yetanotherkim

    yetanotherkim New Member

    Dec 15, 2001
    Brooklyn, NY
    #17 yetanotherkim, Jan 28, 2003
    Website!

    Hey guys, long time...

    The organizers now have a website, in all three languages.

    Too bad the venue (Tokyo Nat'l) is not a soccer-only stadium.
     
  18. Anaheim

    Anaheim Member

    Oct 2, 2001
    New Zealand
    #18 Anaheim, Jan 28, 2003
    Korea Football, you're probably correct; LiveinYokohama would have done something like that since he has a vendetta against Koreans. This guy is trying to argue about nothing, what club in the world wouldn't want any money? Thats just not an issue to bring about to criticize teams for attending a tournament.
     
  19. yetanotherkim

    yetanotherkim New Member

    Dec 15, 2001
    Brooklyn, NY
    #19 yetanotherkim, Feb 15, 2003
    So here goes...

    This is it, guys... A3CC is starting today!

    My predictions for day 1:

    Seongnam 2 - 1 Iwata

    Kashima 1 - 0 Dailian
     
  20. WuTang2002

    WuTang2002 Member

    Mar 13, 2002
    Bundang, Korea
    #20 WuTang2002, Feb 15, 2003
    Seongnam 3 - 0 Iwata

    Kashima 3 - 0 Dailian
     
  21. Hyok

    Hyok Member+

    Sep 4, 2002
    California
    #21 Hyok, Feb 15, 2003
    Wow, what happened? Not even close. Very surprising results. Any details on who scored the goals?
     
  22. n00bie deluxe

    n00bie deluxe New Member

    Aug 31, 2002
    #22 n00bie deluxe, Feb 15, 2003
    LOL. Those were just predictions. The games haven't even started yet! As of now it is 11:48 am Feb. 16 Japan time. Should be some close games. It's unclear how good Iwata are w/o Takahara.
     
  23. woorijim

    woorijim Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Bucheon, South Korea
    #23 woorijim, Feb 15, 2003
    Goal.

    Seongnam's captain, Shin TY scored off of a free kick at 30th min. Seongnam 1-0 up.
     
  24. woorijim

    woorijim Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Bucheon, South Korea
    #24 woorijim, Feb 16, 2003
    Goal.

    Jubilo 0:2 Seongnam

    - Seongnam's FW Kim DE, the scorer.
     
  25. woorijim

    woorijim Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Bucheon, South Korea
    #25 woorijim, Feb 16, 2003
    Full Time

    Jubilo 0:2 Seongnam


    Next match, Kashima vs Dalian.
     
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