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  1. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is that?

    "the largest analytics department in MLS" = both ambition AND smarts

    It may not be enough by itself, but that's certainly a step in the right direction
     
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  2. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, you have come to the conclusion that using analytics to evaluate players is not going to work. ! guess you can close down the thread you started called, "Soccer Metrics to Evaluate Players". :p
     
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  3. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    New owners - something we likely won't have until the current owner punches his clock...
     
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  4. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly!
     
  5. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Punches in or punches out? :) Kinda works either way.
     
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  6. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, I am a fan of analytics! The thing that won’t work is depending entirely on analytics in identifying inexpensive players who are going to turn out to be gems. I didn’t want to argue, but I was not convinced by the way Tutul was extolling the analytics tech and the Philadelphia development model without any mention of Fisher spending more money. Without spending more, we are not going to compete against the 2 LA teams. Maybe we’ll win a game here or there, but we’ll just keeping building our nest in the bottom of the league.

    Even if the analytics+academy worked, it would take 4 years to see much, just like Almeyda had planned with his 4-year project.
     
  7. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Could be worse - how about a five-year plan?

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  8. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, if you add Almeyda + Luchi, it will end up being a 10-year plan.
     
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  9. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Haha, Quakes with a narrow advantage on the Bills!
     
  11. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    And Fisher owns two teams on the loser list.
     
  12. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The A’s have been around for more than a century and in multiple cities. Fisher might actually have a winning record during his ownership stint.
     
  13. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I didn't add up the numbers but looks like winning record since 2005. 10 seasons over .500 and 8 seasons under, and 4 seasons close to .600 and only one near .400 (or worse), that being this past season. That's why when people gripe that "we're the Oakland A's of MLS!" :mad:, my response is, "No we're not but I'd be happy if we get there some day" :thumbsup:.

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  14. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I need a 420 season. But that’s not soccer.
     
  15. Scott Rohde

    Scott Rohde Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 28, 2018
    2022 MLS Fan Cost Index
    Average cost to bring a family of four to a game

    Code:
    Los Angeles FC  $395.46
    Charlotte FC    $377.94
    Inter Miami     $348.44
    DC United       $347.86
    Columbus Crew   $346.68
    Philadelphia Union      $336.31
    Toronto FC      $336.29
    Austin FC       $326.56
    San Jose Earthquakes    $322.72
    Sporting KC     $315.38
    Chicago Fire    $307.63
    Portland Timbers        $307.30
    Minnesota United FC     $304.37
    LA Galaxy       $304.22
    Seattle Sounders        $297.63
    Real Salt Lake  $289.94
    New York Red Bulls      $287.98
    New York City FC        $281.78
    FC Cincinnati   $280.56
    Atlanta United FC       $272.88
    Nashville SC    $270.58
    Houston Dynamo  $264.83
    New England Revolution  $264.70
    Colorado Rapids $264.22
    CF Montréal     $261.54
    Vancouver Whitecaps FC  $253.64
    Orlando City    $251.14
    FC Dallas       $201.44
    
     
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  16. Scott Rohde

    Scott Rohde Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 28, 2018
    Dave Kaval did say the Quakes would be a top third spending club.
     
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  17. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Perhaps median is the better approach than average. Austin, for example, is I'm told able to charge in excess of $800 per ticket for premium seats.

    Also, it would be interesting to see the range of pricing for each team. The Quakes standing ticket is a pretty good deal. Roughly $20 per game last I looked. Be interesting to see if anyone can beat it.

    And wrapping in hot dogs and drinks for a family of four is misleading. The LAFC supporters aren't paying for that shit.
     
  18. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Lies, damn lies and statistics.
     
  19. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Years ago on business I went to a Thrashers hockey game in Atlanta. (They've since relocated and rebranded). I walked up to the downtown arena and looked at the ticket pricing. They offered a $10 seat in the rafters. I figured had to be something wrong with it, so I got the next lowest at $32. I was four rows lower and still a long way from the ice.

    Moral of the story, it's the entry price point that is most relevant. Not the average.
     
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  20. Scott Rohde

    Scott Rohde Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 28, 2018
    It's nice to have some comparison though. It's just the slightest bit of pressure for clubs not to jack up prices on everything just because they can.

    Doubt it helps though. I'm sure we're not too far away from the $15 can of beer.
     
  21. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Is beer included in the survey? Doubt it.

    Many MLS teams don’t have tailgating. You could go a full season without paying nearly $15 for a beer — or any amount at all. (I always have extras.). :)
     
  22. Scott Rohde

    Scott Rohde Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 28, 2018
    “The FCI uses the price of four weighted average non-premium tickets combined with the lowest stadium pricing for four sodas, four hot dogs, two beers and two souvenirs (team scarves for MLS, adjustable team hats for other sports), along with a nearby parking spot.”
     
  23. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Okay. That’s stupid. Who’s doubling up on sodas while dad has two beers? And why ignore premium tickets?

    Finally, scarves are season ticket giveaways in San José this year, so your “average” fan is not splurging for two more.
     
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  24. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    How much do bacon dogs outside the stadium cost in Toronto? If can you even get them?
     
  25. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Wonder what the average price of Lakers tix is if you ignore those purchased by celebs?
     
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