A Right-Wing Smear Is Gathering Steam

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by verybdog, Jul 21, 2004.

  1. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    By Joseph Wilson

    "The right-wing campaign against me and Valerie does not alter the reality that someone in the Bush administration exposed her identity and compromised national security. I believe it was a malicious act meant to keep others from crossing a vindictive administration."
     
  2. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
    Northern Virginia
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    "Ambassador" Wilson is a liar; simple as that! If he had done his job originally and verified that Niger was not the source this issue would not have arose. He didn't and Niger now looks like it was indeed the source! As far as his wife... who cares? There is no such thing as a secret in Washington and he knows it! I would not put it passed this rat face liar to have compromised his wife's work employer himself and then blaming others! I have nothing but contempt for this sort of trash masquerading as an "Ambassador"; our Diplomatic Corps needs housecleaning now and this sort of trash needs a landfill!

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  3. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Careful, one could replace the blanks with Republican names and this would easily turn into a rant by a raging Democrat...you don't want to be one of those do you?
     
  4. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    This whole thing would be settled if they would release his yellowcake report to the public. Then we could read it - and judge it - for ourselves.
     
  5. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    But then you'd have an example of the adminstration being open and honest. If we do something like that, then the terrorists will have won.
     
  6. Yankee_Blue

    Yankee_Blue New Member

    Aug 28, 2001
    New Orleans area
    As soon as we get it it out of Sandy Berger's britches we can all read it...
     
  7. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    I've never been clear on this, but isn't Wilson a republican? He served as ambassador to Iraq from 1988 through the start of Gulf War I. Then, he was sent on the infamous Niger mission by Bush II.

    I guess I just assumed he was a republican, and that they were turning on their own.
     
  8. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    -1 obvious

    So you're saying you want to get into his pants?
     
  9. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Apparently, the DOJ already forwarded his pants to the Halliburton Office in the Caymans where they were immediately sent to Houston, and subsequently sent to Iran.
     
  10. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    He very well might be a Rep, but the Republican names I was thinking of were a little higher up. :)
     
  11. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    And once Cheney is out of office, they will be given to him as part of his deferred compensation.
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    You know you're not funny, right?
     
  13. Yankee_Blue

    Yankee_Blue New Member

    Aug 28, 2001
    New Orleans area
    Well I thought I was, until the superarbiter of all that is funny said I was not.
     
  14. SoftTackle

    SoftTackle Member

    Jan 16, 2004
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    It made me smile. :)

    This entire affair reinforces my idea that politics is a lot like sports. To mix my metaphors, but when you hitch your wagon to somebody be ready to have it bite you in the ass eventually. Heroes are few and far between.
     
  15. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    1) He was an actual ambassador. Using quotation marks is just annoying.

    2) The entire diplomatic corps serves at the pleasure of the President. Don't direct your housecleaning complaints at Democrats. The chain of command begins with Bush and Powell, and you get at least a couple further levels down before you start hitting Democrats.

    3) None of this changes the fact that Valerie Plame was outed by Novak. This was not good for the country. Someone knows who did it, and is intentionally obfuscating. And that someone is in all likelihood a Republican working in the White House. That's not good.

    4) Joe Wilson undertook a dangerous mission on behalf of his country, reported his findings, and saw his wife's career vindictively ended for his trouble. Please justify that.

    5) The "He's a liar," attacks are based on the "Additional Comments" section of a senate intelligence committee report, a section that is not effectively approved of or signed by a single democrat, and is therefore not a non-partisan finding of fact, but has been promoted as such by media outlets too careless or too unfair to point out that the "Additional Comments" are not actually a report of the Senate Intelligence Committee as a whole at all.
     
  16. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
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    a) Joe Wilson took a jet to Niger, looked around the airport, had a drink and returned and said that "no WMD in Niger/no cooperation with Iraq on yellowcake" and now it looks like he was wrong!

    b) Joe's wife's "secret" employer was exposed by reporter Novak, who claims someone in WH told him... any possibly that Novak lied? It seems Novak needs to cough up a reference, or more precisely a name? Was it Joe Wilson himself perhaps?

    c) Yeah... the Diplomatic Corps reports to President...ever tried firing an Ambassador... it's like getting gum off your shoe!

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  17. CrewDust

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  18. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    He probably did take a jet, and may have had a drink at the airport. Other than that, you have no basis.

    Joe Wilson would intentionally ruin his wife's career? Clearly, you're not married. Which I think is probably good for the world. If Novak is lying that is his source is a White House source he refuses to reveal, then he is falsely claiming journalistic privilege, which would simply be abhorrent. I find his behavior bad enough as it is, but it's interesting that you of all people would suggest that he is actually guilty of much worse.

    I have never tried firing an Ambassador. It will surprise you to find out that I have never served as head of state or as a nation's foreign minister, and therefore have never had occassion to do so. However, with the right tools, it takes an hour at the outside to get gum off of one's shoe. So I agree, it only takes an hour at the outside to fire an ambassador.
     
  19. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
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    I wholeheartedly agree... Amb. Wilson IS guilty of much worse!

    1. If you disagree with my assessment of his "fact finding" trip to Niger please poste a link detailing length and duration of said trip and what it involved!

    2. This situation could be solved in minutes... compel Novak to reveal his alleged "White House" source! As I said, I bet dollars to donuts the sources is not even in the White House!

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  20. Daksims

    Daksims New Member

    Jun 27, 2001
    Colorado
    That's not just a coincidence. If a republican missteps, the media makes a huge point to let you know the person in question is a republican or conservative.

    If a Democrat missteps, if you already didn't know the person was a Democrat you probably won't unless you do some digging yourself.
     
  21. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    That makes no sense. Wilson became a household name, not from a misstep, but as a Bush insider blowing the whistle. I would have thought it would be news either way "Republican blows whistle on Bush" or "Bush screwed up by placing a Democrat in position to blow whistle." That is why I assumed he is a Republican, but I honestly don't know.
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    He was a Reep more than a Dem, but as career diplomat, he wasn't overtly partisan.
     
  23. JeffS

    JeffS New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
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    Why don't you provide a link for your postion as well? You've made imflammatory, partisan assumptions, without anything whatsoever to back it up.
     
  24. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    As much fun as it would be to see Novak go to jail, it wouldn't solve the problem.

    Or are you not familiar with the script for these "reveal your confidential source" media dramas?
     

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