out of the bloom, i was thinking who is the best replacement for roy keane.. i have heard the AF bought Djemba and kleberson to replace roy keane but it seems that they are not the right person becoz of thier personality is different, so who should AF buy to replace RK.....
Yes what the heck does it matter the grammer one uses? I think Keano will never entirely be replaced, face it no player can ever be totally replaced. But on the playing field perhaps Djemba Djemba if he is fit can begin to show some of that energy and boldness i have heard a lot about.
All grammar aside, I don't think you can ever truly "replace" a guy like Keane. He basically had to follow up Bryan Robson, tough enough in and of itself. That said, we really need a player who can be the heart and soul of our team, and someone who bleeds Red Devil. Preferably that player should be a midfielder, but its certainly not a requirement. These days, with all the external crap in the game, its tough to find players who are really willing to dedicate themselves to their club. That sort of player is generally a no-nonsense, play for the crest, score now and ask questions later type. Not sure if I see anyone like that on the team right now, but hopefully one will emerge very soon.
Who cares about grammar; it's not some freelance Harry Potter wanna-be-writer board --tool. DJ2 will fill the roll.
It's hard to find a player of the quality of Keane. From players in our current squad I'd say Phil Neville can fill in and the long term replacement could be Djemba-Djemba. From players outside MU Gerrard is the best choice.
Re: a replacement for Roy Keane... As others have pointed out, replacing Keane, the heart and soul of United, is going to be pretty difficult. As far as replacing Keane, the defensive mid, I think the current options have their limitations. Dj is a pretty good tackler and has good ball skills, but his passing was atrocious at times, and he didn't protect the ball very well. He didn't seem used to the pace and pressure of the Premiership last year. Now, it often takes foreign players a year or two to get adjusted to this, so hopefully he will show improvement this season. Neither Phil nor Nicky are good long term options. Phil is a good utility player, who can sub in a variety of positions, but he is clearly not on Roy's level. And Nicky, well, I still expect him to be sold before the transfer window closes. Both Klebs and Flethcher are too offensive minded to replace Roy. Outside of the current squad, I do like Gerrard. However, it won't be easy prying the lifelong Scouser from Liverpool, especially if there is more success under their new manager. One person who I like, at least as potential short term cover, is Graveson. Everton, as bad as they were last season, were clearly much better with him in the midfield. And he has impressed me in WC 2002 and Euro 2004. He is very good tackler, plays with passion, is a pretty good passer, especially with long balls, and in the prime of his carrer at 28. I don't think he would cost that much, and might be worth thinking about. (Of course, his price would triple if United inquired about him, and then Roman would buy him anyway. )
Re: a replacement for Roy Keane... Good post... Graveson really would be a good option... if Keano had to miss say, 6 games to injury I would be worried about throwing DjDj out there every game cuz he would be bound to make mistakes, however putting Butt or Phil there would be just as bad if not worse, I think they are fine when asked to do bits and pieces jobs but I am not sure if Phil or Butt were made to carry the full load.. DjDj might get there, he just seems so much more full of energy that I have hope for him... Graveson really did perform well at Euro as u said he was all over the place... I agree with u, he would be a good buy... however he does not have a big enough name for chelsea so we'd be fine..
Do you want to hear something pretty scary? You pretty much just described Gary Neville. Excuse me while I shudder...
Wow, I can't believe that no one mentioned Rio Ferdinand. The man's absense single-handedly derailed us, if Keane was ever banned for 8 months, we'll suffer, but not as much as we did last season. Literally from the moment Rio went out it against Wolves it all went downhill lol. In terms of position, we have Djemba Djemba who's yet to fully mature and hit his prime amongst others. But in terms of leadership, and the ability to drive the team forward, we have Rio. He defends, initiates attacks, screams at fellow defenders, screams at Howard, screams at anybody lol. I'm sure Ferguson should be looking at him for the captaincy.
It's interesting that you mention Rio. United have had two long absences by influential players in recent years. Cantona was banned for 8 months in 1995 for his kung-fu kick on the Crystal Palace fan. United lost the title to Blackburn. Cantona came back to lead them to the next two titles. Roy Keane was out for the season after his ACL injury in Sept 1997. Arsenal won the double that year. The next year, Roy led United to the treble, including their first of three in a row Premiership titles. The difference between these two United greats and Rio is that they were captains at the time. They were the most influential players on the team, and in many minds the best players on their teams. There's no doubt that Rio is an important player for United, but he has a reputation for being quiet. Perhaps this 8 month ban will see his leadership skills rise. I'd certainly love to see Rio follow in the paths of Eric and Roy and lead United to the title this season.
The problem is that we judge Roy by his own superb standards. I'm not convinced that he isn't a perfectly good defensive midfield. What we don't have from him now is that total midfield aggressive dominance. If you add to that the driving force he is for the rest of the team and the commitment he has to Utd then I just don't see a new player, whoever he is, coming in and giving us all this. A new player just won't have the respect and authority that Roy has and it will take years to develop the commitment even if it is something that can be "developed". I think we have to accept that there just won't be another Keane for some considerable time. Accepting that, we then need to look at what we want in terms of playing abilities and we come down to wanting a quality DM. I suspect Keane himself will be that for a couple more seasons. Whether his less dominating performances will damage his motivating abilities I don't know. The new season will tell us soon enough.
I do think that if Rio bounces back from the long abscence well (which I'm sure he will), he'll be one of our best players next year. I think he will be United's next captain (that is, if Keane doesn't retire before Giggs), and one of the greatest at that. He is already considered one of the best defenders in the world and cirtainly the best in England. Rio is class to me, one of the few players who I consider worth their obscene price-tags. To bring the best out of him, he needs a solid defencive partnership and although Wes is cirtainly talented, his injury record makes a long-term partnership between the two quite unlikely. I therefore think that Heinze is the man for this job. From what I've heard, he's a tough man who doesn't back out from challenges, and this reliable play should bring the best out of Rio. Thanks for mentioning him.
I feel Roy's pride will have him retire or leave the club at the end of the season if he feels he cannot meet his own standards. Roy will never do a Desailly or Matthaus and stay around past his expiry date and I'm sure if Roy can't meet the standards he sets himself his motivational skills will go down... He's always lead by his example, as in: 'i can tell you what to do because my performance's are always immense so you can't call me a hypocrite' If he feels he is being hypocrite Roy would do something drastic like give up his captaincy Heh, this is a worse case scenario of course.. if Roy lets those young whippersnappers do some work around him he can extend his career by a few years and also be immense in a new role where he does not go box-to-box more then is required, if at all, and just holds the team together.. if Keane can handle a new role to accomodate his older(wiser )physical state we may not have to worry about him for a good 2-3years. But if there's ever been a man whose pride could bring about his demise it has to be our captain.
Sol Campbell is the best CB in England, imo. He's been doing 'it' for a longer period of time than Rio and has been to 4majors since 1998 and has never been found wanting...In fact he is always named as one of the top defenders in the tournament and is the most coveted defender in the league on the continent. Ferdinand being 2nd in command to Campbell is no embarresment mind! Because Sol really is phenomenal.. he's as important to Arsenal as any one else, without him they'd struggle more than we did without Rio, which is saying something.
Rio is a reactive thinker of a CB and needs a physical, aggressive player alongside him. That's why Campbell is the perfect partner and why Silvestre plays his best CB game alongside him. Brown is too similar and maybe Heinze will be right - I know too little of him to make any meaningful comment on that. Initially it could be reasonable to give him the captain's armband when Roy is not playing.
I too have pegged Rio as a possibility for our next captain, even after all of this drug mess. I think he can be that sort of player, and I see him at United for years to come. Here's the thing though--SAF has basically blamed him for the team's poor results this season. And once you're in SAF's doghouse, the only way out is to play your way out. I think Rio has something to prove not only to the fans and SAF, but to himself. If he plays this season the way we've seen him play, he could well rise above it all. I just hope he doesn't succumb to the pressure that will surely be placed on his shoulders. But if he does come out of it all a better and smarter player, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him be the next captain of Manchester United.
You never know with the type of leadership and impressive performances Ronaldo has put in this summer, maybe he could be captain? Although i think it would be better to have Rio take over until Sir Alex deems Ronaldo is ready. I know a lot of you are probably thinking why is an Everton fan posting in this forum? The answer is my mum is a massive Man Utd fan and i got a bit of a soft spot for United, Seems they're the only British superpower left, as i see Chelski and Arsenhole as foreign teams now, who are polluting our league with other nationality players than giving out own young a try. Let's be honest where would the England team without Man Utd's nucleus of English players?
Ronaldo is a possibility as a captain for the future. Maybe when he's like 26 or so, and hopefully he's still at United. Seems to get along well with the players, and I think he's picking up English quickly too. I got no problem saying a few nice things about Everton once in a while, seeing as how you guys are still a thorn in the side of Liverpool.
I could see Rio as a captain in the not so distant future, but for the time being when Keano isn't playing I think the armband would be given to Giggsy or Gazza, both of whom have worn it in the past under such circumstances, IIRC. I agree with Achtung about Rio, I just don't see him moving ahead of either of the players I mentioned while they're both still at the club.
I'd prefer to have an English/Irish (or Scottish ) player given the armband when it comes time. That's right guys - Darren Fletcher! He's already been given the captain's armband for Scotland for one start. The youngest player to be given that honour for 80 some years.... Woohoo!!! FLETCHER!!!
I'm not against Fletcher being considered. For all his crap play on the wings he still grew as a player and I could see him being the Captain at some point in the future.
Nah Darren Fletcher is useless if your going to give it to an English player what about one of the Nevilles maybe? Seriously though Fletcher is lacking, and he doesn't seem to have that Celtish fight what most Irish and Scottish players have.