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Libertarians are far-right supporters in disguise. The old left/right division is always there, even when one says he wants to get rid of it.

 

Most of those you meet who call themselves evangelicals are actually fundamentalist evangelicals. There are actually evangelicals who are not fundamentalist.

 

Thery were never that well disguised.

Their pathetic little rants against "large" government since the Civil Rights Movement (when they knew damn well that the will of the people had to be leapfrogged if the victims of the past, present, and future were to ever be pulled from the wreckage of conservatism) let everyone know that they are for themselves first, last and in the middle.

If the SCOTUS had not heloped us exist in a way that America's populatyion never intended, that's fine, To those who gloat (by saying) government has now taken away what it gave you against the public will, I generally reply that we'd never have experienced those brief years of something decent had it not been for government.

"Evangelical" is kinda unsettling like "Christian" among thinkers these days. I don't truly bristle at either word, but if that's the first thing you use to describe yourself, I probably won't be around to hear the rest of the things you consider important about you.

I don't remember whether Minister Malcolm, Dr. King, Gandhi, Mrs. Hamer, Mrs. Barnett, or John Brown spent a lot of time bleating about themselves or their work as being "Christian" (or in Malcolm's case, related to faith). knew what needed to be done and worked at it as best they could. Maybe so. I know for certain that their faith was central to their actions, but it's also been central to the actions of some horrible people, people like Charlie Kirk and Eric Rudolph. Would it be worth it to abandon faith as a concept in hopes that the Right can no longer use it to keep women in second-class citizenship? I don't know. Fear of death is so powerful

But over the past few centuries, the group as it pertains to America has not covered itself in glory. Their idiot opinions on alcohol helped increase the amount of large-scale organized crime in America, and has probably prevented thousands of people from uniting in marriage because she was reared in fear of violating God's law and he wanted to live free of that shit. I'm not about to tiptoe around the superstitions of someone stupid enough to buy two refrigerators.

 

How about if it's the beer fridge?

 

You know they ain't keeping beer. Pastor Friendly might stop by They guzzle it, scrape the graphics off the aluminum and shred the can. Toss the shredded graphics and the pull top in a shallow hole on someone else's property...

 

So I just happened to meet fundamentalist evangelicals. Thank you for the clarification. #LearningIsHalfTheBattle

I appreciate this board because of this. I spent half my life in the Catholic Church and was unaware there was an evangelical wing within Christianity. Heck, I am so naive, it took me a few solid months to figure out an ex was a hard right Christian.

 

The 1973 Chicago Declaration for Evangelical Social Concern cried out for the need for social justice and against racism and materialism but it was overtaken by other trends in American Evangelism.

https://fromthevault.wheaton.edu/2023/11/01/a-prophetic-document/

 

But evangelicals convert. It's what they do.

An evangelical is someone or a movement within Protestant Christianity that emphasizes the Christian gospel, or "good news" of Jesus Christ. Evangelicals are distinguished by a strong focus on personal conversion, the Bible as the ultimate authority, and the evangelistic duty to spread the gospel and encourage others to convert. - Googles

 

Has anyone thought that this dude is a Goldwater Republican, the godfather of liberatarians. It fits cause it is a black and white view of the world with absolutelism toward the points. If you are anti war then regardless if its Gaza or Ukraine, then the US shouldn't be involved. If you believe in small government then the Civil Rights movement is wrong and so is Roe. But that mean 1A, 2A at all times and personal right to privacy is paramount. Hence living with a transgender and being fine with it. Being gay and transgender is up to the individual and should be under their individual privacy.

 

If you believe in small government and the right to privacy, then Roe was right.

But otherwise this is exactly how I've been seeing Kirk's killer. That he was suppressing badspeak precisely because the government shouldn't, but to him it was self defense.

 

Serious Libertarians are all about the non aggression principle.

 

I grew up in Virginia. I now live in Pennsylvania. I believe that my current church is closer to the teachings of Jesus.

 

At least Catholics let you have sex (man/woman or otherwise legal) before you get married.

There's a show on Amazon called Shiny Happy People about the whole cult the Duggar family is part of. It's nothing groundbreaking, but they talk about how the woman's job is to provide for her husband, how they can't have sex before marriage, etc. In Shiny Happy People, they show Jim Bob Duggar (the dad) talk to his kid about "the birds and the bees" apparently after marriage.

Of course, their dating was chaperoned, they had buddies to trust and all that stuff. The whole Duggar thing fell apart because the one guy kept the kiddie porn on a secret partition of the hard drive that the "nanny software" didn't know to check.

With Catholics, at least you can get drunk on a Saturday night, have sex before marriage, have gay sex, etc. IIRC, you just can't do Communion if you're in a homosexual relationship and sexually active.

Issac Newtown was right. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." If the parents really push the "Don't have sex or you will get pregnant and die" belief, they shouldn't be surprised when their daughter gets sick and develops a bump before HS graduation.

Likewise, guess what happened at the Charlie Kirk ceremony? Another Grindr outage.

 

Don't think of it as a party, but think of it as a mindset on an XY-axis.

Above the X is authoritarian.
Below the X is libertarian.
The left of the Y is liberal.
The right of the Y is conservative.

ISTM that most libertarians are on the bottom right. MAGA/Republicans are too authoritarian for their tastes and the Dems are far too liberal.

Kamala Harris is above the X and just to the right of the Y. (Part of why some on the left didn't vote for her.)

Donald Trump is waaaaaaaay to the top right, which allows him to say that Kamala Harris is a "looney leftist liberal" while the rest of the world laughs at MAGA for thinking that.

Most of the left/progressive mindset around the world is, I'd say, to the bottom left.

 

Yes, personal freedoms regarding Roe. Thanks for the correction. And I agree on the second paragraph.

 

1 of those things is true.

 

That's right.

However when I wrote libertarians are 'far-right supporters in disguise', I had the notions of egalitarianism / anti- egalitarianism in mind, rather than those of authoritarianism / liberalism.

It seems to me that libertarianism strongly tend towards anti-egalitarianism, which explains why the extreme right has seized it.

Well... i don't know if I'm clear.

Anyway, libertarians are very strange animals.

 

Let's face it, most libertarians don't want to pay taxes. That's what it comes down to.

 

Some of the "cool" Christians are calling themselves "followers of Jesus" to kind of disassociate themselves from the word.

 

That sounds worse then evangelical.

 

I'm not an authority on this by any stretch but song219 mentioned that there are fundamentalists and non-fundamentalists. So I am under the impression that certain churches lean more towards proselyting than others.

So it's a spectrum? Not sure and not sure this is the thread for it. But it sounds like each church has a buffet of principles to pick and choose from and how much. But they are all loosely evangelicals. I always thought the 4 principles I mentioned earlier were major ones but have been wrong before. I just happened to meet the ones who had their principles turned up to 11.

I have heard "believer" as well.

"Let me introduce you to John Doe here. He's a believer and a decent left back."

 

I don't see Catholics doing much evangelizing, except at the end of a sword.