NSR: A gun on Every Corner: Discuss the NRA, Gun Ownership and All Those Non-Mass Shootings..

Could be a little frustration there. I feel like @Sounders78 is being incredibly stubborn. But yeah point taken, moving on.

 

I never understood forgiveness and understanding is unforgivable!

 

I think that’s taking it too far.

1. There are many, many elements of “the right “ who are completely uninteresting in truth, reality, etc. But not all of them.
2. The MSM will react differently under the two scenarios.

 

uh oh

 

If only we had a good guy with a gun...

This shooting happened on a college. Shouldn't police have been there, the same as it was a basketball game, concert or any other ticketed event?

https://www.uvu.edu/police/about/
All UVUPD police officers are trained at the Utah State Police Academy and each year receive a minimum of forty (40) hours of in-service and specialized training in crime prevention and awareness, first aid, firearms, defensive tactics, legal updates, evidence gathering, traffic control, and traffic accident investigation, follow-up on criminal and civil investigations, etc.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2025/09/11/utah-campus-gun-law-breaking-down/
It is legal to openly carry a gun on Utah’s public university and college campuses with very few exceptions.

In fact, Clark Aposhian, a national firearm lobbyist and the chair of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, said the state is possibly the most permissive in the country when it comes to guns and what few laws restrict them, including in higher education spaces.

“It’s never been against the law here to lawfully possess a firearm on a college campus,” he said.

It’s unknown if the shooter who fatally fired on conservative commentator Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University in Orem on Wednesday afternoon was openly carrying or had a concealed weapon, but both are technically allowed. State and school officials have said a single shot was fired from a nearby rooftop in what appears to be a targeted attack.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...k-security-team-police-shooting-b2824820.html
There were at least six good guys with guns there plus possible others there in addition to plainclothes officers.

But hey, if we had armed guards in schools, we wouldn't have school shootings, right, MAGA?

 

It's hard to believe that the NRA was all about "this is how you are safe around guns" and not "guns are good and we need more guns moreso than we need healthcare".

 

But the ones that matter (the fascists currently in power) are the former.

 

This thread sucks

 

Where we're at:

NY Times Pitchbot
Yes, Charlie Kirk called for Joe Biden’s execution. But he called for it in the right way.

 

That is disappointing.

 

This.

 

When someone cites a poster's prior stupidity, do they use ibid or op cit?

 

It depends on the recency of the stupidity.

 

How 'bout "e.g?"

 

But they can't blame the shooter because he was a white male from a God-fearing conservative family. After all, Proverbs 22:6 says: "Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he grows older he will not abandon it" (NASB translation). So you see, it has to be someone else's fault, and that "someone else" is obviously "the god-denying evolution-loving Christian-hating leftists who can't even tell the difference between a boy and a girl".

 

Here's an excellent commentary on the media and Charlie Kirk. A couple of quotes:

 

It's amusing to read y'all's spirited debate about the shooter's leanings.

If he's Whiteright, slur his name.
If he's left, paint a mural of him.

A White supremacist is dead. Let's just breathe a sigh of relief at that before we go back to the real work of staying prepared for the ones we CAN'T see plain as day.