NSR: A gun on Every Corner: Discuss the NRA, Gun Ownership and All Those Non-Mass Shootings..

Ain't that America?

 

Lots of gun massacres
For you and me

 

I guess that topic may fit here since the Va assembly is about to legislate on Gun control in the state.

Virginia Gov. Northam has declared a state of emergency and temporarily banned people from carrying guns and other weapons on state Capitol grounds, where thousands of gun-rights activists are expected to rally next week against stricter gun-control laws. https://t.co/UkvdB4HHyu

— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 15, 2020

 

sure sounds like a red state:

https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...calls-protecting-second-amendment/2858260001/

Pop-up tents lined the soggy grass outside the Capitol, under which attendees could get a free cup of coffee or hot cocoa, join a NRA mailing list, or enter a raffle to win an AR-15 courtesy of the Kentucky-based nonprofit Vets Serving Vets. A food truck from DT's Rack of Ribs & Catering sold pulled pork and sides.

 

I assume they had permits to carry their guns in the building.


Just because people do not like the 2nd amendment, it does not mean that everyone person with a gun is automatically a criminal.

 

It's not liking or disliking the 2nd so much as the bastardization of it!

 

Having a gun and a permit does NOT mean that person is not also carrying something else that is metal and potentially dangerous
-other guns
-knives
-more ammunition

Of course, they better not have:
-keys
-nail files
-coins

If having a gun is not a reason for going through security, what is?

 

This has absolutely nothing to do with the "second amendment."

Don't fall into their rhetoric.


By the way, if they needed "permits," the second amendment argument fails.

 

visitors to the capitol building are banned from entering with umbrellas or sticks that are used for protest signs because they can be “used as weapons”

 

As I have said in these threads, I run a couple of clinics at the local VA facilities.

I have always found it interesting that they have signs that state something to the effect of "No weapons of any kind allowed on this facility" everywhere.

If they are not allowed at a place filled with people who were trained by and required by the United States government to possess guns, I wonder why?

 

Because it would unnecessarily hold-up the line and do nothing to increase the security of the building.

If you’d notice the guys were all wearing body armor that was fully geared up, were wearing cargo pants that was likely full of crap, likely had steel toed boots, etc, etc. Basically a ton of crap that will set off metal detectors, most/all of which are just going to be handed back to them. So they can waste a good five minutes per cosplayer and do nothing to improve building security, or they can just send them around the detector, put a sticker on them, and send them on their way...

 

Those cosplayers ARE the security risk.

Yes, it makes sense not to "hold up the line" and allow the actual threats through without checks.

But somebody might have a sandwich wrapped in aluminum foil. Oh, the humanity.

 

I'm going to guess that Kentucky state law does not agree with your assessment and explicitly allows firearms to be carried into the building. As such, the people working the metal detectors are bound by state law and not your opinion.

 

I doubt the people there showing exactly what they are carrying are the risk.

 

You both missed my point.

It is not the guns that they are carrying that pose the risk such that they should be subject to going through security.
(Personally, I think it is a risk. That is my "opinion" and is not the issue.)

It is what else they might be carrying that is of concern, and, of course, the purpose of security check-points and metal detectors in the first place. Allowing them by-pass security because they are armed is incredibly stupid.

Essentially, if any "evil-doer" (to quote George W Bush) or terrorist wanted to create havoc in Kentucky, ALL they would have to do is show up with a gun exposed on their hip and they would be waived right into the building and around security.

That is a goddamned frightening thought.

Also, would they simply waive through somebody packing a gun if that person was African American or Muslim American or Hispanic or, worse of all, a Democrat?

 

I don't know the purpose of those guys visiting the Capitol, but lemmie axe you dis: Why do they need to have their gun with them when visiting, and why can't they just wear you know, regular clothes and not all this toy soldier stuff?

 

Kentucky has a right to carry law. So if you carry a gun on you all the time, then it is basically part of your regular clothes, or say the same as a cellphone.


Now that is for a hand gun, I highly doubt that these guys carry their AR's like that every time they go to work or so. But if they do, they have the right to go to many public/Government buildings in Kentucky.

Man like terrorist would have interest in blowing up anything in KY?


Plus

 

Fair enough, but it's not like you're gonna find an 8-point buck hiding in the jury box. So you could go to a UK basketball game, and since you're such a yuge fan, you get worked up about the game, especially against big a rival. So the ref makes an obviously horrendous call and it costs your beloved Wildcats the game... You're just so f*&^%$# mad at the ref that you just wanna kill him!

Lucky for you, the Second Amendment makes that more than just a figure of speech.... But what could possibly go wrong?

 

Because showing up to social gatherings in full costume is an important part of how cosplayers interact with their community. Much like how a Naruto cosplayer would not show up at an anime convention wearing only a headband, or, heaven forbid, the wrong headband, these guys have a certain standard of attire that they must attain before they can gain acceptance from their fellow militia cosplayers.

 

@ceezmad could you please diagram this sentence:

Man like terrorist would have interest in blowing up anything in KY?

I understand the 12 words individually, but the sentence escapes me.

Do you mean that "no terrorist would have an interest in blowing up anything in KY?"

If that is the case, I would point you to Oklahoma City.
Who would have thought the worst terrorist event in US history to that point (and second worst ever) would be in Oklahoma City?

Plus, has the Bowling Green Massacre already faded from your consciousness?
#NeverForget

 

Because waving through a guy that is legally allowed to open carry while wearing body armor, an AR of some variety (possibly converted to fully auto), and several hundred rounds is likely more dangerous than whatever else you imagine them to be carrying. The capital police can either spend 5 minutes clearing a single person who they are likely to give back the most dangerous thing they are carrying, or they can process 5-10 other people waiting in line. It's a simple risk assessment. Processing the cosplayers to make sure they aren't carrying anything that isn't allowed doesn't make them any less dangerous from a security perspective.

Oh, also.. Having two police officers (or security guards, I'm assuming these are capital police) standing behind a plastic table inspecting bags and sending people through metal detectors is little more than security theater. There are so many ways to get dangerous items pass the officers that it doesn't really improve safety beyond the appearance of improving safety.

 

1. Having a gun in plain sight does not mean you do not have other items hidden. Perhaps it would still be a good idea to check for those other items. You disagree, I see.

2. If, as you say, a) checking people who are armed would not make them any less dangerous and
b) have police/security inspecting packages "doesn't really improve safety beyond the appearance of improving safety."
then why have security at all? Just dump the whole lot of it.