9/8 US vs. Brazil, Foxboro

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  1. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because they sat back and let us have the ball a lot after they scored.
     
  2. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #152 thedukeofsoccer, Sep 8, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2015
    Anybody who doesn't have below average speed for a forward and actually provides something with their head. Johannsson is not a center forward, period. And with a team counter-attacking he doesn't have much of a role in that position either. It's foolish to try and just force-fit him into a lineup even if you believe in isolation, ignoring role, he's a little better player than the next guy. If you're going to use a lone center forward, Altidore is a much, much better option for that. And for this particular match where we'll be defending and then advancing the ball quickly into significant space, arguably every other player on the roster is better for that role. And I'm not keen on Wood or Wooten right now in general, while Zardes to me is much better on the wing.

    If Johannsson is played, it wouldn't shock me if he picked up the scraps and scored a goal on the set piece, or something to that effect. But that still wouldn't make him the right selection beforehand because it's one event and in open play he doesn't project to do well so if you played this game many times over you'd probably see he was more liability than asset (see Julian Green in general outside of scoring vs. Belgium).
     
  3. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Johannsson often looks better than Jozy with movement, on the ball, but fails to deliver the most the important thing. Scoring goals.
     
  4. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He tries to make frequent, smart runs, but alas they seldom amount to anything in a counter-attack situation because of his lack of speed. Whereas Jozy has the capability to run at defenders over significant space and run onto balls in it, even if inconsistent.

    That slick flick from Jozy to Aron should have resulted in a 1 v. 1 situation with the keeper, but he got run down by the defender and had to retreat, killing the chance. That's a microcosm of Aron playing on the counter.

    Aron is a little bit of a rich man's Wondo. I think Wondo has the technical ability and awareness to have a lot of success with a solid Dutch club, and maybe in a higher league than that, if he got the chance, but he's seldom a fit for the U.S.' style. The teams he helps us against are the type we'd beat anyway, greatly limiting his value. To a lesser degree I think that to be true about Aron.
     
  5. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Best attacking game I've ever seen the US play against an elite side
     
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  6. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know you are describing Dempsey too. Dempsey is actually slower than Johannsson, Johannsson has a stronger shot and is way better of a passer. What Dempsey excels is knowing exactly where the ball is going to be, AND that is what Johannsson is lacking.
     
  7. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Especially on their left side via Neymar and Marcelo, Brasil were sending numbers forward. The US' good stats were generated by an effective press that was let down by poor play from the aging centerbacks.

    AJ has good pace that looks to be at the level of Jozy and Zardes or perhaps a little faster. The problem in the last match was that Peru's defenders had scintillating speed; even Wood wasn't getting much separation.
     
  8. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dempsey is much better in the air, a longer strider, and has more ability to take players off the dribble. That combo makes it OK for him taking up one of the positions against better teams. But I'd agree that they are bad complements for one another because they don't have enough dissimilarities.
     
  9. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    AJ is an orthodox center channel forward.

    Dempsey is a different creature altogether. He has a background as a collegiate attacking midfielder who then played an inside-wide role with Fulham. He is a flair player with a gift for poaching in both scoring and setting up goals.
     
  10. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your estimation of relative pace and touch are off from what I've seen.
     
  11. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here you go again......
     
  12. CU soccer

    CU soccer Member

    Mar 28, 2005
    Panama City Beach
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of my best friends, who's a major USMNT fan, said plenty seats are still available. He lives in N. Boston and is going... By himself. His normal crew (4 total) have decided to boycott attending games. Won't get in to why, but it has made me curious about how big the crowd would be. Your situation seems to point to a smaller crowd than initially expected.
     
  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Pace:
    Elite: Shea, Bunbury, Nagbe, Morris, Wood, Yedlin, Gyau(maybe not after the injury), Fabian, Ream
    Average: Zusi, B. Davis, Wondo, Corona,
    In between: everyone else
     
  14. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're still available because everyone knows the US is going to get mauled the way it usually does when playing against Brazil. The US's overall record against Brazil is a horror show, something like 17 losses and 1 victory. I can see why American fans aren't particularly willing to watch in person a rout of their team.
     
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  15. CU soccer

    CU soccer Member

    Mar 28, 2005
    Panama City Beach
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps that is playing a part for a lot of the fans. Wouldn't for me, but I could see that affecting some.

    They apparently boycotted the Haiti game, back in July, as well.

    Enjoy the game!
     
  16. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Problem is he said his friends are boycotting (so how many others are?), Revs' games do mediocre at best even though the team has been good recently, and it's still Brazil. Brazil should sell. 68K attended the last meeting.
     
  17. MKESoccer

    MKESoccer Member

    Jun 23, 2014
    Milwaukee, WI
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, but I have it from a good source that there will be 11 men in the lineup.
     
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  18. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Johannsson is more of a finesse player than Dempsey. If we ever build a quick-passing team that is able to dominate possession in the opponent's final 3rd, he'd fit right in. Dempsey roves all over to find the ball and actually covers a lot of ground for a forward.
     
  19. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have a source in the popcorn vendor that we will be starting:

    FW: Wooten
    Mids: Jones, Morales, Williams, Bedoya, Bradley, Corona
    Backs: Brooks, Alvarado, Orozco
    GK: Howard

    3-6-1

    Jurgen was getting his popcorn ready for the reaction.
     
  20. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. I want to elevate to the level where we wouldn't even consider Johannsson in the starting lineup, then to the level where he'd be an automatic start.
     
  21. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where the hell do you get your sources from?
    At least @thedukeofsoccer gets his from a popcorn vendor.
     
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  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    AJ tends to thrive via early balls and inside the area efforts. Altidore and Zardes thrive via the quick combinations. The NT don't find AJ consistently enough with the early balls.

     
  23. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Im not going for several reasons and I luv to go to NAT games:

    1) When the tickets went on sale, we had no idea who would be playing for the USA. I got burned badly the last time the NATs were here for the Spain game when Bradley dressed a B-C team

    2) The cheapest ticket was $70 and with not knowing who would play, was not worth the chance

    3) Its a Tuesday night and some of us have to work on Wed.

    All things considered, I decided to pass on this one and will watch on TV
     
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  24. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dont agree. I have watched Dempsey since his Revs days and he can be a total finesse player as he was in his younger years. When he went to the UK, they coached that out of his game.
     
  25. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    Wretched!
     

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