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Discussion in 'Columbus Crew SC' started by Bill Archer, Sep 12, 2003.
For those who say we should quit now:
If that does not bring out strong emotions then you are not human.
Please move on. Whilst it was indeed a tragedy, the past is the past. 24-hour coverage was ridiculous, in my opinion.
"Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it."
the 'discussions' on the 'war' and political ideology on this message board are rediculous. while i still value the opinions that all crew fans at bigsoccer.com have regarding mls and all things soccer, this sort of hypernationalistic propaganda does not belong here. i'm really tired of opening up the crew pages and having to sift through childlike novelesque rants and idealistic retorts to find a noteworthy opinion on the crew and mls. simon wiesenthal(sp)was correct in house18's quote but lets not lose the meaning of that quote. see the past, look to the future. change is inevitible. strive to make it positive. violence perpetuates violence.
melloyello has left the building.
I'm with Bill on this one. 9-11 should never be forgotten. The fact is that there is nothing that can be done to make the "other side" change their minds about us. They will continue to look for ways to kill Americans wherever that can be done. They have brainwashed their children to continue this cycle of hatred against us. Just look at what continues to happen in the Middle East where 6-8 weeks of progress were again derailed through senseless acts. Leaving the job half done will continue to place innocent people in harms way.
Perhaps the real value of 9/11 was to fully awaken the American Public to the fact that this is a war where civilians are purposefully made major targets and this war could take place on US soil.
Just as importantly, this is a War waged upon the Western public by a nationless, suicidal, group intent on changing our culture - Not winning land or resources. Disneyland is a bigger target than Ft. Knox and not wearing a uniform or being prepared simply makes you an easier Target. Targets are selected for their media value around the world.
The Feraliminal Lycanthropizer is a low frequency thanato-auric wave generator. Known for its use by the Nazis and for its animalizing effects on human subjects tested within measurable vibratory proximity, the machine electrically generates two subsonic sinewaves -- one 3hz, the other 9hz. Together, these two frequencies (one acting as carrier, the other as program) generate a lower third, .56hz.
In addition to these sinewave generators, the machine contains four tape loops of unduplicable lengths, each containing textual material. Two of these loops operate below the threshold of decipherability (one forward, the other backward), and two operate far beyond the opposite threshold (also one forward, the other backward). The effect of the subsonic sinewaves on the sound of these human voice recordings is one of organic ululation.
But this aurotic environment, with its sensual, undeniably aphrodisiac effect on subjects, is peripheral to the machine's essential function: to trigger states of urgency and fearlessness, and to disarmour the intimate charms of the violent child within. While the 9hz, 3hz and .56hz wavelengths together signal a state of high-level ferocity and austerity in subjects within approximately four yards, the Trithemean incantations richly pervading the machine's aural output produce feelings of `aboveness' and unbridled `openess'.
The combination of drastically contrasting emotional trigger mechanisms results in an often profound behavioral enhancement which occurs strikingly soon (within moments) after the user enters and remains in the auricular field of the machine. This patently Plecidic enhancement is described in a study by the inventor Bill Jenkins as "Sensitive Disturbance", an "atomic catharsis of nucleopatriphobic anxieties and freeze-locking, thanatotic armor." 
Documented experiments include cases in which subjects previously unacquainted with one another are found freely sharing inner thoughts, secrets and/or vulnerable feelings, in several cases to the point of impetuously shedding the veil of clothing. Others involve extraordinary strength and detailed focus of will. For example, a dilettante Catalonian national using the machine daily over a period of five or six weeks eventually managed to ingratiate himself with Adolf Hitler, persuade his quarry to adopt the swastika as high totem and emblem of the burgeoning National Socialist Conference, and justify his swift departure from Aryan allies by returning to Germany in 1942 to present Hitler with the inestimable graces of the Dalai Lama.
It is sad that the most widely known experiment (in which six younger subjects turned their newfound fearless attentions toward death, and purportedly unleashed their physical strength and determination upon each other in a congress of erotic strangulation ) has cast a dark cloud over the otherwise useful tool, erroneously compelling otherwise intelligent persons -- from both scientific and artistic circles -- to avoid the machine altogether. After decades behind locked doors, the Feraliminal Lycanthropizer, protected by the Plecid Foundation and the William Jenkins Estate under the executorship of Bill Jenkins, Jr., is now again entering a phase of widespread experimentation.
In 1978, Bill Jenkins, Jr., Magister General of the Plecid Foundation in New York, of which his venerable father had held the title of Magus Eugenaestheticus, extended a global invitation to those individuals ready to experience primal, holistic, sensitive transmogrification by spending a few moments in his father's laboratory alone with the machine. The results were very pleasing to young Jenkins: out of 108 voluntary subjects culled from throughout the world, fifty-six agreed to submit to Jenkins' apprenticeship program; within nine years, twelve of them developed into skilled craftsmen capable of producing machines of sufficient quality to genuinely spark a dawn of primeval wisdom by the turn of the millenium.
Dr. Robert Hutchins, late professor of Chemistry at the University of Michigan recorded, in a laboratory journal of 1921, instances in which the machine was brought to his home and operated at light social gatherings `incognito'. Hutchins' interest does appear to have been somewhat questionable in that the journal gives inordinate space to delirious accounts of sexual misconduct, juxtaposed with vague attempts at scientific explanation. However, the entries  clearly prove that the Feraliminal Lycanthropizer had quickly made inroads into academic circles long before its Nazi usage. Following is an excerpt:
Present at this time are Mr. and Mrs. Cedric Wellington, Miss Elizabeth McFadden and Miss Betame, whose surname I cannot remember. The group has been in the presence of the machine, set at 5.6dbs, for approximately two-and-a-half hours, two of which have been spent in an undeniably animalistic state.
Within half and hour of her arrival, Miss McFadden joined Mr. and Mrs. Wellington in an absolutely deplorable menage on the living room floor. Miss Betame appeared to be initially disoriented by this, but within five minutes had removed most of her clothing and begun fingering her exposed sex organ. After perhaps five or six minutes of these unbridled sexual pursuits, Miss Betame, apparently shameless on all fours, attempted to approach my body, on the opposite side of the room. In an attempt at cordiality, I proffered a brisk smile and left the room to prepare a new tray of refreshments for the guests.
Upon walking into the kitchen, I had to catch my breath. I had never witnessed this type of behavior and would have never expected it from members of my own peer group. I returned to the living room, set the hors d'oeuvre tray down on the end table next to the couch and seated myself on a chair facing the menage. Elizabeth, who had joined the others, glanced mysteriously in my direction and crawled across the room toward me. I panicked and was suddenly paralyzed. Aside from the effects of the Feraliminal Lycanthropizer, which were close to bringing me into submission, I felt distracted by Mrs. Wellington, who was howling while appearing to extend her entire left hand, clenched tightly, into Elizabeth's birth canal. The lady seemed to be struggling to say something, which I was then determined to decipher. I almost entered a kind of trance state.
Betame's hands were rapidly and hypnotically motioning to remove my shirt. I began to sweat and shake and again excused myself, this time to the lavatory, where I now complete this entry. Clearly, Jenkins' Feraliminal Lycanthropizer is a fundamental pivot between man and beast, and, if used with extreme discretion, may serve to emancipate overly fragmented personalities from the restrictive conditioning and mores which undoubtedly lie at the crux of all neurotic and psychotic disorders.
Mahabad Golriz, renowned Persian botanist, spent a substantial portion of his later years in Lausanne seeking subsidies from the Islamic Trust For Arts & Sciences for the establishment of a committee dedicated to the thorough investigation of the Feraliminal Lycanthropizer's effects on plant life. Golriz observes:
The Lycanthropizer sets into motion the process of subtle change at the innermost loci of the DNA molecule. In private studies, my associates and I have observed a 72% consistency in the drastic changes the machine imposes upon phenotypic expressions of the nokhod (pois chiche).
Walter Stevens, Assistant Director of Secret Operations, a primary artery of the National Security Council, has intimated to a former NSA agent that the Feraliminal Lycanthropizer was used extensively during and after the Vietnam War as a truth serum, helping to liberate essential information from American war criminals and distraught POWs. Although Stevens cannot be quoted directly, and naming our intermediary would be a breach of trust, we do hold in our possession public domain photographs explicitly documenting use of the Feraliminal Lycanthropizer at the scene of such an interrogation.
Reprinted from the "David Woodward Supreme Ruler of the Universe" with permission from David Woodward
PS. i thought the still frame of the guy doing the sailor dive off the 93rd floor was particularly effective.
yeah, i'm going to hell. piss off. go crew
You said it man.
What the hell are you whining about like a little bitch for? The friggin topic alone should have saved you from sifting through anything.
My favorite quote about history is:
"History is a joke we play on the dead."
hmmmm.. Did I just read what I think I read?
Yes you did.
You read a guy describing 9/11 discussion as "hypernationalistic propaganda" which says so many alarming things all at once that it takes your breath away.
And the feeble posting of a long incoherant diatribe in an attempt to trivialize and ridicule other people's feelings would be rude if it wasn't so childish.
Bet me if I had posted "get out of Iraq now - let the Islamofacists take over and start torturing people again" he would have been MUCH happier.
The Crew boards cover a broad range, and by agreement we have some latitude. We discuss beer, women, music and occasionally, world affairs. If you don't like it, don't read it. Or better yet, go back to TheCrew.com and discuss Oughton's hairstyle with prepubescent teenies.
As for the topic of the thread, I can only say that forgetting history is one thing; people like mello are much worse because they're trying to ignore it.
"Hypernationalistic propaganda"? You need help.
Gee, yeah. Let's go back to 24 hour discussion of whether "Great Britain has leaned that Iraq attempted to buy enriched uranium in Africa" means "Saddam Hussein has a warehouse full of yellowcake he bought from Niger" and therefore he ought to be impeached.
MUCH more relevant, eh?
I find the fact that some people are actually this upset about discussing 9/11 fascinating. You people are postively frantic here. Amazing.
The problem is that you don't WANT to be reminded. You want to pretend that warmongering America is oppressing people somewhere. THAT'S your problem, Bucky.
And just for you - something else to piss you off; US Marines (part of the only Marine battallion left in Iraq) have something to tell you:
(Unlike mello above, I don't cut and paste other people's stuff - the following is from Belmont Club)
Islamic madness manufactures stalwart enemies where none would exist. They make it easy to maintain a sustained opposition to terror because jihadi outrages remind everyone -- except the Left -- what happens if we relax. . . .
Ever wonder why Islam's enemies never surrender to it? Can you think of of a reason why Jessica Lynch's 507th Maintenance truck drivers and mechanics fought with greater ferocity than the 285th Field Artillery Observation Battalion which surrendered to to the Waffen SS at Malmedy? Come on Liberals, can you think? Can you think why the US 106th Division surrendered en masse to the Germans in 1944 while six British military policemen fought in Iraq, 2003 until they were out of ammunition -- and were executed as they put up their empty hands. Can you think of why it was a mistake to put up their hands? Even the pathetically inept Armed Forces of the Philippines routinely fights to the death against the Islamic foe. Just how simple life is when fighting Islamic terrorism was illustrated by Todd Beamer on Flight 93. Islam can do what no drill sergeant ever did: convert the saddest of sacks, whether Filipino soldiers, underpaid Russian conscripts, Indian Jawans, US Army truck drivers or airline passengers into regular Davy Crocketts at the Alamo. By contrast most so-called Jihadis are almost indecently eager to surrender. Guantanamo Bay, with 600 Al-Qaeda, is scheduled for expansion as more Islamic warriors wait to surrender. Did Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Hambali fight to the death? No. They surrendered because they knew, absolutely knew that they would not have to utter words like "my mother was a Jew" before having their throats slit on video.
I don't have a problem with it at all. I wonder why this one needed a seperate thread than the other 9/11 discussion going on. But, thats just minor.
Have you had to leave your family for 97 days making sure bombs get dropped on target in Afghanistan? Did you happen to spend time in Europe or the Middle East in the spring making sure Saddam's regime was ousted? I didn't think so. Until then, how about you use this message board to promote what it says at the top left hand corner of every single screen, "BIG SOCCER," instead of needing to remind those of us who you allege have forgotten about the events of two years ago. Because you're right...I forget about it every day when I put my uniform on to go to work.
some people can remember things without hitting others in the face with a shovel full of diatribe... this is a severly misplaced thread
Then I suggest someone closes it, as well as every other similar thread on these "soccer" boards.
Speaking of misplaced what the hell are you doing here swiss cheese eating pansy. Go make us some clocks.
Crew fans here are quite happy with our discussions. If you don't like them then fcuk off back to your own cool soccer boards you fcuking *@#*@#*@#*@#*@#.
....and your knives are *@#*@#*@#*@# also.
i'm american you simpletons and as this is in the crew forum, it appears on the front page... so i wandered in - so what are ya gonna do? sue me or shoot me?
In fact. let's just let YOU go through ALL of BigSoccer and expunge everything you don't like.
Hell, why not just have you go through the whole goddam INTERNET, slaching and burning and closing down whatever offends your personal sense of propriety.
Tell me this though: when you read the title of the thread, did you move your little curser over it until the little hand appeared and then click your right finger because you thought that "9/11" referred to a comparison between Ante Razov and Jeff Cunningham?
Come on. If you don't want to read non-soccer stuff here, then DON'T READ NON-SOCCER STUFF HERE.
Here's an example:
Thread Title: Dallas Burn vs. Columbus Crew: fine for clicking on. Will have stuff about soccer.
Thread Title: Girls With Big Boobies: Do not click on this. Will likely not have soccer stuff.
It's really very simple to do.
But telling everyone else what THEY ought to do when they're here is pretty rude, IMO.
i disagree that the thread should be closed, only that it should be moved - certainly bill you can agree that this has exactly zero to do with the columbus crew... or are BS guidelines only for some of us?
This forums isn't about the Crew. It is a place for Crew fans to talk about stuff. Alot of it involves the Crew. Some doesn't.
The only thing that doesn't belong here is you *@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#.