Now that everybody is bored to the hilt it's the right time to round up those with the knowledge to steer the ignorant (like me) in the right direction. Relatively affordable quality 8K cameras are around the corner this year. Canon has announced it's 8K EOS R5 as the first one, but I trust the rest will follow soon. So to process the video recorded with those I think serious hardware is required. So the bored nerds can start typing It would help me alot to get an idea of what's needed.
So, with just days before the highly commented launch of the new mirrorless cameras, R5 and R6, by Canon the specs your computer has to have are awesome. The r5 is able to record 8k raw. This means a mind blowing 120+ GB per minute for raw 8K footage. One hour is a whopping 7+ TB So goodbye to harddisks, hello ssd's. And you need big ones=expensive ones. Everything that moves data around in your computer has to be ridiculous fast. It would be nice if people with knowhow in this would post in here. Date of launch is rumoured to be 7th of July 2020. https://www.eoshd.com/8k/canon-awak...r5-video-specs-8k-raw-internal-4k-120p-10bit/
In anticipation to the release of the canon eos R5, Blackmagic has revealed their upgrade of Diavinci Resolve video editing software: https://ymcinema.com/2020/06/18/davinci-resolve-16-2-3-released-getting-ready-to-canon-eos-r5/ DaVinci Resolve 16.2.3 Released: Getting Ready to Canon EOS R5 Published on June 18, 2020June 18, 2020 in News by Yossy Mendelovich Blackmagic Design has just released DaVinci Resolve 16.2.3. The version includes bug fixes and improvements like better support for RED Komodo files, ARRIRAW, and more. Furthermore, there is enhanced decoding for the forthcoming Canon EOS R5. Read on. 378
Interesting developments. Hot on the heels of Canon's eos R5 Sharp announces their 8K camera! https://www.techradar.com/news/shar...orlds-smallest-8k-interchangeable-lens-camera The Canon EOS R5 may be about to launch with impressive video powers, but it won't be the only small 8K camera in town for very long – Sharp has just put the long-rumored 8K Video Camera on its official website for the first time. Described on Sharp's Japan website as the 'Small 8K video camera' and 'under development', the unnamed product certain lives up to its billing – the squat design makes it look very much like a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera. Like the latter, it will also feature a Micro Four Thirds sensor, which is where it fundamentally differs from the full-frame Canon EOS R5. Still, the rumored specs, rounded up by Photo Rumors, suggest it could otherwise be very competitive for those looking for a small 8K camera, assuming it launches globally. It will apparently shoot 8K/30p, 4K/60p at 200Mbps at 10-bit, and provide pro-pleasing features like a full-size HDMI out, a mini XLR input for pro microphones, plus both headphone and audio jacks.
https://petapixel.com/2020/07/06/8k-modes-for-canon-eos-r5-leaked-no-crop-no-overheating-issues/ 8K Modes for Canon EOS R5 Leaked: No Crop, No Overheating Issues Jul 06, 2020 DL Cade
With the increased data flow of both 4k and 8k a new codec has been introduced, H.266/VVC. https://www.techspot.com/news/85889-new-h266-vvc-codec-shows-promise-4k-8k.html New H.266 VVC codec shows promise for 4K and 8K streaming But can it beat the royalty-free AV1? By Adrian Potoroaca on July 6, 2020, 3:34 PM 448
Holy smoke. The bitrates for the R5 8k are insane. View attachment 177404 What motherboard and which RAM and SSD can handle that fast enough. Has to be an epic bg ssd too. How much does that cost.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffr...-just-announced-eos-r5-already-have-an-issue/ Question marks about the length of a shoot the camera is able to do. Specs talk about 20 minutes before heat gets the camera shut down. The question is under what circumstances. In 21 Celsius weather conditions?
Well, there's something to think about with the 8K Canon. It has very limited recording times. https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...erheats-when-shooting-8k-and-when-shooting-4k The Canon EOS R5 overheats when shooting 8K… AND when shooting 4K By James Artaius a day ago Canon confirms that overheating imposes recording limits not just on 8K, but 4K video as well – including 4K 30p The recording limitations are as follows: Movie recording size / format Max recording at 23°C (73.4F) 8K RAW 30p 20 minutes 8K 30p 20 minutes 4K 120p 15 minutes 4K 60p (uncropped) 35 minutes (29m59s + second 5m video) 4K 60p (cropped) 5.1K oversampling 25 minutes 4K 30p high quality 8.2K oversampling 30 minutes 4K 30p Not limited by heat So, what actually happens when the R5 overheats? The camera shuts off and requires a cooldown period before it can resume shooting video. CVP's breakdown detailed the amount of 'recovery time' required once the camera has overheated, and the amount of recording that is possible afterwards: Movie recording size Recording format standby time (power off) Recordable time (max / approx) 8K 30p 10 minutes 3 minutes ------------20 minutes 8 minutes 4K 60p (uncropped) 10 minutes 10 minutes 553
BANG. Blackmagic drops a bombshell https://www.dpreview.com/news/39065...pro-12k-camera-trio-of-monitors-and-recorders Blackmagic Design debuts new URSA Mini Pro 12K camera and lower-cost versions of its Video Assist 3G Published Jul 16, 2020 | Brittany Hillen And they claim you can edit it on your laptop 594
Well, finally something adressing the title's issue! https://fstoppers.com/gear/it-possible-edit-8k-footage-eos-r5-502243 Is It Possible to Edit the 8K Footage of the EOS R5? by Burak Erzincanli 2 days ago 6 Comments The 12-bit 8K raw video of the new Canon EOS R5 sounds exciting, but how would you manage to edit an 8K video on a Mac or PC? 8K video has been around for a while, but the announcement of the new Canon EOS R5 will certainly change the things we used to do. We will see more 8K footage around and eventually possibly end up buying 8K televisions and monitors. However, from a creator’s perspective, there is more to consider, as the 8K editing will be more challenging. In this video, creator Max Yuryev tests the editing performance of the 8K and 4K footage of the Canon EOS R5 using a Macbook Pro, Mac Pro, and a Razer Blade Studio with Windows 10. Using Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere, and DaVinci Resolve, he compares the editing performance of 8K footage on both Mac OS and Windows platforms. Yuryev gets some interesting results when working on clips with different frame rates at different resolutions. Performance on each platform varies considering the effects of different components such as the graphics card and processor, but overall, editing an 8K video might be challenging even with the most high-end editing suites. What do you think about working with 8K footage? Do you think is it too early for everyday content creators? Let us know in the comments. Comments: ments Felix C - 2 days ago [Edited] Sorry, but Max is not the most savvy technical YouTuber out there (He totally did not understand Apple ProRes RAW when it first came out). All his computers that are having issues are with the actual video input. Certain Apple Macs can play three streams of 8K footage, they do currently with Red cameras format. In the video, Max changes the timeline from 8K to 4K thinking that will make a difference. It will not because the computers he is using are having a problems converting the initial 8K footage into a usable format. Now, it you convert the Canon 8K video to more computer friendly ProRes, I am sure the later higher end Macs will play the streams without any issues. And if worse comes to worse, you can alway edit with proxies, that is how the original Red 4K footage was edited when the Red One first came out. 4 0 David Penner Felix C - a day ago The biggest thing with high bitrate video is storage speed. Running m.2 in a raid configuration for a scratch disc will solve some of those problems. Also the only time you really want to keep the video at that high bitrate is during color grading. Once the color grading is done just use a proxy to do the rest of the editing. 0 0 Black Z Eddie . Felix C - 19 hours ago I think this exercise was to see if you can edit in real time without having to resort to proxies or transcoding. He is aware of those options. 0 0 Bernie Retallack - a day ago [Edited] I'm sorry but if you want to edit this in real time, atleast get a decent computer and not an overpriced piece of trash Apple computer with 12 cores for an ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS price of $15K. I'll stick to my Intel Xeon W-3175X @4.5GHz with 192gb RAM @3800MHz CL15, 2X TITAN RTX, Intel Optane 905P 1.5TB(for low latency storage and scratch disks) and custom loop but thanks. Come back when you get a system capable of editing even 4K footage instead of honeybacking off the Apple fanboy wagon with trash systems. And yeah, transcoding the footage with FFMPEG might help first. 0 0 Mandy Coate Bernie Retallack - 15 hours ago Calm down man. 0 0 Rich Pulham - 21 hours ago Silly man. Laptop computers are wimps compared to a desk top computer built for editing video. 684
The race for 8K editing https://ymcinema.com/2020/07/16/mac...on-p620-armed-with-amds-new-threadripper-pro/ Lenovo ThinkStation P620 with with the AMD Threadripper Pro CPU and NVIDIA GPU configuration Mac Pro Killer? Lenovo Introduces ThinkStation P620 Armed With AMD’s new Threadripper Pro by Yossy Mendelovich July 16, 2020 News 7 mins read 693
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...dream-8k-capable-video-editing-pc/ar-BB1aoTIm © Provided by CNET Andrew Hoyle/CNET © Andrew Hoyle/CNET But 8K files are big and stuffed with more data than most of today's computers are properly able to handle, which means it may be time for a new editing system. A top-spec 8K-capable machine won't come cheap (our test build was over $7,000) and would be overkill for many creators who don't work with 8K footage. But those who are able to offer 8K production to clients will have an advantage over those who are still getting to grips with 4K. And charging a premium for the extra demands of an 8K workflow means that a system like this could eventually pay for itself.
Articles about the necesary equipment to handle 8K are now appearing more and more. Some moreinformative than others. https://www.videomaker.com/how-to/editing/editing-in-8k-minimum-system-requirements/ 1145
There's a new kid on the block. Sony announced it 8K capable fullframe camera, Sony Alpha 1. It's capable of 8K 30p, ... for 30 minutes continuous shooting..30fps. photography https://www.dpreview.com/articles/2677095861/hands-on-with-the-sony-alpha-1 Sony reveals Alpha 1 50MP full-frame camera capable of 30fps and 8K 1376
And there's a third in the 8K field: https://www.pcmag.com/news/nikon-teases-the-z-9-slated-for-2021-release The one missing now is a Fuji 8K machine. 1586
Oh, Panasonic hasnot got one either. With the 8K capable serious pro cameras now coming on the market, probably next year also with the prosumer cameras, the need for editing computers capable of processing those numbers of data becomes a fact. We can expect serious build suggestions in the coming year, along with prebuild machines. The big downer is that in the recent months the prices for cpu's went sky high because of hoarding in China/production not capable of keeping up with demand and the only manufacturer of machines (100 million€ a piece) capable of producing the top end cpu's, ASML, is on it's limits of production capacity. So just at the moment the need for the top cpu's is justified, the prices went sky high.
Oh, with 8K camera's I mean the hibrid photography/video cameras, as dedicated video 8K ones already exist with several brands. 1601
The most recent info on what to use for 8K editing. https://www.techradar.com/news/best-video-editing-computer 1869
On the camera front there's alot of development taking place. Unfortunately also on the very expensive side. First of all the disappointing uselesness of the canon R5 due to it's overheating is going to be tackled with the soon? to be released Eos R5cinema. https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/canon-eos-r5c-coming-in-2021-an-r5-that-wont-overheat On top of that rumours are spreading an even more advanced R1 is in the making https://www.techradar.com/news/canon-eos-r1-release-date-price-rumors-and-leaks 1869
There's a huge problem with availability of chips, especially the advanced ones needed for these computers and cameras. Unfortunately this leads to very high prices.
Finally also Panasonic is rumoured to put an 8k hybrid camera on the market. https://www.techradar.com/news/pana...rrorless-camera-may-finally-have-release-date 1907
Video discussing the editing of EOS R5 footage: https://fstoppers.com/gear/it-possible-edit-8k-footage-eos-r5-502243 Is It Possible to Edit the 8K Footage of the EOS R5? https://fstoppers.com/gear/it-possible-edit-8k-footage-eos-r5-502243 The 12-bit 8K raw video of the new Canon EOS R5 sounds exciting, but how would you manage to edit an 8K video on a Mac or PC? 8K video has been around for a while, but the announcement of the new Canon EOS R5 will certainly change the things we used to do. We will see more 8K footage around and eventually possibly end up buying 8K televisions and monitors. However, from a creator’s perspective, there is more to consider, as the 8K editing will be more challenging. In this video, creator Max Yuryev tests the editing performance of the 8K and 4K footage of the Canon EOS R5 using a Macbook Pro, Mac Pro, and a Razer Blade Studio with Windows 10. Using Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere, and DaVinci Resolve, he compares the editing performance of 8K footage on both Mac OS and Windows platforms. Yuryev gets some interesting results when working on clips with different frame rates at different resolutions. Performance on each platform varies considering the effects of different components such as the graphics card and processor, but overall, editing an 8K video might be challenging even with the most high-end editing suites. What do you think about working with 8K footage? Do you think is it too early for everyday content creators? Let us know in the comments. 7 Comments Felix C - July 26, 2020 [Edited] Sorry, but Max is not the most savvy technical YouTuber out there (He totally did not understand Apple ProRes RAW when it first came out). All his computers that are having issues are with the actual video input. Certain Apple Macs can play three streams of 8K footage, they do currently with Red cameras format. In the video, Max changes the timeline from 8K to 4K thinking that will make a difference. It will not because the computers he is using are having a problems converting the initial 8K footage into a usable format. Now, it you convert the Canon 8K video to more computer friendly ProRes, I am sure the later higher end Macs will play the streams without any issues. And if worse comes to worse, you can alway edit with proxies, that is how the original Red 4K footage was edited when the Red One first came out. David Penner Felix C - July 27, 2020 The biggest thing with high bitrate video is storage speed. Running m.2 in a raid configuration for a scratch disc will solve some of those problems. Also the only time you really want to keep the video at that high bitrate is during color grading. Once the color grading is done just use a proxy to do the rest of the editing. Black Z Eddie . Felix C - July 27, 2020 I think this exercise was to see if you can edit in real time without having to resort to proxies or transcoding. He is aware of those options. Bernie Retallack - July 27, 2020 [Edited] I'm sorry but if you want to edit this in real time, atleast get a decent computer and not an overpriced piece of trash Apple computer with 12 cores for an ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS price of $15K. I'll stick to my Intel Xeon W-3175X @4.5GHz with 192gb RAM @3800MHz CL15, 2X TITAN RTX, Intel Optane 905P 1.5TB(for low latency storage and scratch disks) and custom loop but thanks. Come back when you get a system capable of editing even 4K footage instead of honeybacking off the Apple fanboy wagon with trash systems. And yeah, transcoding the footage with FFMPEG might help first. Mandy Coate Bernie Retallack - July 27, 2020 Calm down man. Rich Pulham - July 27, 2020 Silly man. Laptop computers are wimps compared to a desk top computer built for editing video. Kyle Ford - July 30, 2020 Of course, it is. I edit 8k RED RAW footage on my MBP more than once a week. Proxies make it easier, but honestly, it's not that bad if you set it to 1/16th and do most of the coloring and effects at the end. It's when you start forcing the computer to do the on the fly calculations that it gets intensive. 1948