7/5 USA vs Colombia: Coaching/Tactics [R]

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by NoodlesMacintosh, Jul 5, 2007.

  1. NoodlesMacintosh

    NoodlesMacintosh New Member

    Aug 24, 2004
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. Nyghtewynd

    Nyghtewynd I'd Rather Walk Alone

    May 30, 2006
    St. Louis, MO
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 7/5 USA vs Columbia: Coaching/Tactics [R]

    Did we come to play effective soccer? No.
    Did we use our youth effectively? No.
    Did we learn anything? Not really.

    So why did we accept the bid again? What was the point?
     
  3. mitzTHFC

    mitzTHFC New Member

    Apr 25, 2007
    Syracuse
    Re: 7/5 USA vs Columbia: Coaching/Tactics [R]

    To sell the pinstripes unis! Duh!
     
  4. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 7/5 USA vs Columbia: Coaching/Tactics [R]

    BTW: Colombia.

    The box midfield is not effective unless the fulbacks push up into the attack. The entire first half both Pearce and Moor stayed back and backpassed. No wonder the attack was ineffective. In the second half they came forward and we looked better.

    No coaching or tactics, however, can fix the poor skills of our forwards.
     
  5. NoodlesMacintosh

    NoodlesMacintosh New Member

    Aug 24, 2004
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 7/5 USA vs Columbia: Coaching/Tactics [R]

    I think we have learned a fair amount about who's capable. And if this leads to EJ not getting any more callups, it'll all have been worth it.
     
  6. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 7/5 USA vs Columbia: Coaching/Tactics [R]


    in every defeat there is a hard lesson, lets hope they taking notes

    The point was to get a look at more players at the highest level, friendlies just don't cut it.

    We learned that we are miles away from playing the beautiful game of soccer, and we don't realy have a great depth out there.

    Then we learned again that Bob Bradley is clueless when it comes to tactics.
     
  7. MightyMouse

    MightyMouse BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 19, 2003
    Island paradise east of the mainland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 7/5 USA vs Columbia: Coaching/Tactics [R]

    PLEASE CORRECT THE THREAD TITLE, ITS COLOMBIA, not COLUMBIA... show at least SOME respect to the team that beat the mighty mighty USA. (crys)
     
  8. ShortyM006

    ShortyM006 New Member

    Feb 15, 2007
    Re: 7/5 USA vs Columbia: Coaching/Tactics [R]

    Again Bradley uses some ridiculous lineup- I'm Surprised he didn't find away to put his love child Bornstein in... I can't understand his sub patterns or why he didn't just start Ngyuen and Davies we know what Johnson and Mapp are capable of...


    SOme thoughts:
    Eddie Gaven- SHould never ever ever be seen in a US jersey ever again, the guy is brutal. WTF, does Sigi Schmidt do to these guys??? Szetela and Rodgers also ride the bench for that team...

    Davies and Ngyuen both had their moments, both good and bad...
    Pearce was good for the most part but really let me down in the second half I really thought he would perform better.

    Guzan- looks like he will turn out to be at the very least a capable backup...
     
  9. giffenbone

    giffenbone Member

    Jan 22, 2006
    Raleigh, NC
    Bob Bradley yelled at Kyle Beckerman
     
  10. NoodlesMacintosh

    NoodlesMacintosh New Member

    Aug 24, 2004
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 7/5 USA vs Columbia: Coaching/Tactics [R]

    ...wow. Can't believe I screwed that up. I fixed it, though.
     
  11. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You don't learn things overnight. It takes time. This includes Bradley and the players. We all knew this was going to be a make shift roster. But what we still don't know is how this tournament will aide or harm us. Give it time. When the fall friendlies in Europe and qualifiers start we will have an idea. I can't fault Bradley, his hands were tied behind his back since most of the top players were absent. The clubs ultimately had the say as to who was in the squad and who wasn't. I appreciate the opportunity we had in this tournament. It's been a tough pill to swallow but I'm willing to sacrafice if it helps us in the long un.
     
  12. Li mu bei

    Li mu bei Member

    Jun 5, 2001
    Kettering, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This was the most absolutely ridiculous job by Bob Bradley so far.

    To date, I have not been too critical of his perfromance, but today's game "plan" was ASSININE.

    It is so incredibly silly to field an ENTIRE team of FRINGE players--they make each other look bad and there is no clear picture on a given player's performance.

    The appropriate thing to do is to SELECTIVELY look at fringe players WHILE surrounding them with a CORE of better players.

    So, what can we possibly learn when we fail to include MOST of the better players on our roster and field an ENTIRE roster of FRINGE players?

    NOTHING.

    Good job Bob. :rolleyes:

    WHAT A ********ING WASTE OF TIME.

    I call Bob an his BS on "giving younger guys experience"--there was nothing learned here, by anyone, that wasn't known before the tournament.
     
  13. gfranc79

    gfranc79 Member

    Dec 10, 2005
    NYC
    I agree with you Li mu bei.

    As a huge soccer fan who wants to see soccer grow to bigger things in this great country we call USA, this performance hurts us in a way. Its more fuel for those soccer haters in this country. Ive seen Americans go to games routing for other teams in the GC and dont give one cent about the USMT. Hopefully one day things will change, but this doesnt help the cause at all. Its sad. I still like Bradley as coach. But I think opportunities like this, in which games mean something, you dont go into it with a "we got nothing to lose" mentality (keller said that in an interview).
     
  14. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    It should be called the empty barf bucket.

    About today - I know BB was playing for a 0-0 tie. He had to be. Because no sane man expects to score against reasonably decent team with two deep lying defensive center mids. Especially when one of your forwards is incapable of going at people. There isn't a player in the squad that can hit a proper cross. Where is the goal going to come from?

    Is the barf bucket now the "official" U.S. style of play? Rongen is using it with the U-20's too. Unfortunately for the senior side, not many of our future matches will feature Freddy going against Poland's U-20's.

    I'm siiiiiick of the barf bucket. In all of the GC and all of the CA, how many goals did our forwards score from the run of play in all of those games? Any? It is impossible to judge our forwards right now, as they get zeeeeero service from this stupid tactic/formation. Even today, when BB brought in one of the few guys on the team that can take people on - Nguyen - he stuck him waaaay out wide, so that he'd have to go through 4 or 5 Colombians to do anything. Just ridiculous. What does Bob have agaisnt CAM's?

    As long as Bob is the coach, our forwards will be nothing more that advance defenders.
     
  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 7/5 USA vs Columbia: Coaching/Tactics [R]

    To make you whine and cry.

    Mission Accomplished.
     
  16. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bob must be a lousy coach if he needed another 65 minutes to see what EJ could do........
     
  17. deron

    deron New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Centennial, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What did he yell?
     
  18. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Raleigh, NC
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    That's what I was thinking, too. Bradley went a little too far on the C roster, and the result was garbage where little was gained.
     
  19. obewan

    obewan New Member

    Jul 24, 2005
    NC
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 7/5 USA vs Columbia: Coaching/Tactics [R]

    It's hard to be critical of this game without being critical of this tournament. It was nice of Bob to get everyone so much experience playing top quality international competition.



    Let me say this...I'm not against us going to Copa America. I'm not even against taking most of the guys we took. It's better to find out who sucks & who can play now rather than in a qualifier. But if giving experience was the purpose for going to CA, why did a few more guys not play against Paraguay? I feel bad for the guys who played tonight who hadn't played previously. It's kind of like when your team's down 10 with 10 seconds to play in basketball when the coach empties the bench. What good does it do?

    On a side note, why on earth was Simek wasted in the Gold Cup and not brought to CA?
     
  20. flowergirl

    flowergirl Member+

    Aug 11, 2004
    panama city, FL
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i'm agreeing with the thought that it was ridiculous to field an entire team of untested newbies.

    and this was, in fact, the most animated that i've ever seen bob bradley on the sidelines. i think he was actually upset that we were playing that poorly. he was acting like he really wanted to win.

    hell, i took one look at the roster and thought "well, he sure as hell isn't playing to win".

    it's like the last game of the season when you throw out everyone who didn't play at all the rest of the year.
     
  21. deron

    deron New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Centennial, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This may be a reflection on the players or Bob or both.

    As much as people think these guys should just grab the opportunity, Bob didn't do anyone any favors. They can try to be optimistic about it, but they all know that Bob doesn't play half of them if there was a chance to advance. They were given crap minutes and they responded with indifference.
     
  22. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Me3.

    And I said so a few months ago when the rosters were pontificated.

    One should have been able to juggle both rosters to have newbies and vets playing together ... and by vets, I mean good vets, not Hejduk, Keller and Olsen.

    So The Hardworking Bob failed in that also.

    And we have learned basically nothing in the last three months.

    Let's see how the fall internationals play out.
     
  23. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    "D@mmit, quit going forward. You act like you want to win or something"
     
  24. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Heres what bothers me more than anything. We played well for 60 minutes vs. Argentina, then collapsed. Dissappointing. Then against Paraguay, we play well, but mistakes cost us the game. So here we are, entering game 3 against a team thats had an even rougher cup than us. Now, I think, heres a chance to get a result, and have something to hang your hat on. A positive note to end the tournament on... and he just empties the bench.

    WTF? You take a young team in, and have a chance to get them out of there with some positive feelings, and you just mail it in. Good job leaving it a completely negative experience.

    I am so angry about that. If your going to blood a young team, you have to do everything to get them a win. Hell, just a point. Give them something to build off of.

    Jesus that pisses me off.
     
  25. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Gavin for Gomez - horrible sub.

    Gomez was the only player that looked like he could make something happen in the 1st half. U.S. needed a goal, soooooo.......you take out a forward/linking player to put in a wide mid, so that you can play with not one, not two, but three! defensive midfielders. And one forward. Who likes to backpass a lot. When you're down a goal.
     

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