55 More Civilllians killed in new round of air strikes

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by total_football, Mar 28, 2003.

  1. total_football

    total_football Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
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    Operation "STRENGTH THROUGH JOY" continues. Axis airpower has struck yet again.

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...u=/ap/20030328/ap_on_re_mi_ea/war_baghdad_113

    an excerpt from the A.P. story:

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - Thunderous explosions rocked Baghdad on Friday in some of the most powerful bombardments of the Iraqi capital in days. One missile struck a market in western Baghdad on Friday afternoon, killing more than 50 people, news reports said.
    Qatar-based Al-Jazeera said 55 civilians were killed Friday at the market in a residential neighborhood. Al Arabiya television said at least 52 people died. Footage showed the injured, many of them children, lying in hospital beds with their faces and heads wrapped in bandages.
     
  2. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

    Apr 29, 1999
    fly-over country
    It's obvious that Al-Jazeera and Al Arabiya are nothing but Saddam's mouthpieces. Everyone knows American bombs are incapable of killing civilians. Now get back to watching Fox News, citizen!
     
  3. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Uh, joseph, aren't you forgetting the Five Minute Hate?
     
  4. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    What kills me the most is that a lot of people here are quick for slamming the US media, but accept the words of Al Jazeera with open arms.
     
  5. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    Why? Is it too much to ask that a country with a 200+ year principle of freedom of the press should insist on meaningful and critically detached reporting?
     
  6. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    what does that have to do with the fact that people believe every word out of Al Jazeera's mouth, but question every thing the US media says?

    Personally, I believe about 25% of everything the media says.
     
  7. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

    Apr 29, 1999
    fly-over country
    OK, my first post here was strictly facetious, but now I seriously have to ask you what is so incredibly unbelievable about the idea of a US bomb hitting a marketplace and killing civilians that you immediately remove it from the realm of possibility?
     
  8. total_football

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  9. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    And when our government inevitably acknowledges that a market was hit and that civilians died, your problem with the truth of Al Jazeera's factual statement as to the number of dead people will be what exactly?
     
  10. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    Seriously, you doubt the claimed dead are really dead?
     
  11. total_football

    total_football Member+

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    The general rule of thumb is, in the 20th century, 90% of all fatalities in war have been civilians. Why should this trend NOT continue, given that that weapons are becoming far more deadly in their impact, able to inflict more damage over greater areas...?

    Napoloeon marched to Moscow with about 2,000 cannon balls being shot. In this day and age, that kind of firepower won't even get you across the street...
     
  12. Isn't it a coincidence these stray precision guided weapons always happen to land in crowded marketplaces in broad daylight? At this rate, you can expect schools, hospitals & mosques to be hit next. Do any of these stray munitions happen to land in say residential neighborhoods, or open fields, or light industrial areas, or in the dark? I'm saddened that any innocents have to die, but I like to think our guys have a better grip on protecting civilians than the Ba'athist thugs.
     
  13. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

    Apr 29, 1999
    fly-over country
    Possibly, but is anyone on either side going to write a story about a missile that lands in an empty field?
     
  14. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    > Possibly, but is anyone on either side going to
    > write a story about a missile that lands in an
    > empty field?

    Well they do... when the empty field happens to be in Turkey. Today a third missile fell into our supposed ally. We have stopped sending missiles over Turkey.
     
  15. cossack

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    Mar 5, 2001
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    I'm watching BBC Evening News now and I only feel shame and fear with these "visceral scenes" that probably won't be shown in the USA. It's 9/11 everyday for those poor people.
     
  16. MLSNHTOWN

    MLSNHTOWN Member+

    Oct 27, 1999
    Houston, TX
    (This is intended as sarcasm, but for the thought alone, I should probably be condemned)

    With all due respect to Al Jazeera, why is it not okay for the US to bomb marketplaces, but it is ok for the Palestinian freedom fighters to bomb marketplaces?

    Until this double standard is explained, I will, with all due respect to Al Jazeera, ignore every piece of evidence.




    what I really think....

    1. War Kills civilians
    2. the us is not trying to kill civilians
    3. the GPS guided bombs etc., work extremely well (90% clip, I would imagine)
    4. Some of these bombs have landed in Turkey, Iran, etc. so it is very possible that they landed in a marketplace
    5. Iraq would also look good framing the US for an incident like this.
     
  17. cossack

    cossack Member

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    what I really think....

    USUK does not need to be there.
     
  18. fidlerre

    fidlerre Member+

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    what i think.

    - could have been an errant us/uk bomb

    -could have been an iraqi missle, or planted explosion <i would not put it past them>

    plain and simple: you, me, nobody really knows what happened there except for a very few on either side of this war...and guess what, we won't be hearing from them anytime soon.

    so i will stay neutral for now; unlike the iraqi press <their own television, al-jazeera and al-arabiyia> who immediately place blame. i dont see the american press blaming it on the iraqi's yet, but soon enough they will...

    it's all a load of crap. nobody knows what happened.
     
  19. Zenitfan

    Zenitfan Member

    May 31, 2001
    Dayton, OH
    Clarify need? I would be perfectly happy if we didn't invade. Isolationism suits me perfectly. Let them stew in their own filth. With the way the world oil market is set up, Saddam in or out of power is irrelevant, at least to most Westerners.

    What, are you a pacifist? With a name like "cossack"? Interesting...
     
  20. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    [​IMG]
    Abdul Hussein cries after seeing his son Heider, 25, dead body in the morgue of Al Nur hospital, following a bomb that landed in a busy market in the Al Shula'a district of West Baghdad Friday March 28 2003. The bomb killed at least 50 people, according to local hospital sources. The U.S. Central Command in Qatar said it was looking into the matter.(AP Photo/Jerome Delay)
     
  21. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    [​IMG]
    Members of the Amer family weep over the remains of dead relatives in their home after a bomb landed in a busy market in the Al Shula'a district of West Baghdad Friday March 28, 2003. Arabic language television stations reported Friday that U.S. missile struck a market in western Baghdad, killing more than 50 people. The U.S. Central Command in Qatar said it was looking into the reports. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay)
     
  22. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    [​IMG]
    Two children lay dead in the morgue of Al Nur hospital, following a bomb that landed in a busy market in the Al Shula'a district of West Baghdad Friday March 28, 2003, killing at least 50 people, according to local hospital sources. The U.S. Central Command in Qatar said it was looking into the reports. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay)
     
  23. Belgian guy

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    So according to you it's impossible those deaths were caused by the coalition forces?
     
  24. Excape Goat

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  25. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    Thank you.

    p.s. Some cruise missiles hit saudi arabia. So we have Turkey, Iran (maybe) and Saudi Arabia hit by smart missiles.
     

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