50 clubs at risk

Discussion in 'Italy: Clubs' started by SueB, Jun 18, 2004.

  1. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    According to this:

    http://it.sports.yahoo.com/040618/2/1mch.html

    at least 50 of the 132 professional clubs in Italy (Serie A thru C2) are at risk of not having the required financial backing to be admitted into the league for next season, according to an investigation by "Espresso" magazine.

    They only list the Serie A clubs in bad shape: Roma, Lazio, Parma, Brescia, Siena and Messina. I'm going to look around and see if I can find the entire list somewhere.
     
  2. strega

    strega New Member

    Jun 17, 2003
    los angeles
    i wonder if l'espresso's info is before all the roma news this week that sensi has injected even more money into the club & we are fine for next year...

    http://it.sports.yahoo.com/040615/4/1kad.html
    http://it.sports.yahoo.com/040611/2/1h69.html
    http://it.sports.yahoo.com/040614/2/1jta.html
    http://ilmessaggero.caltanet.it/vie...01_NAZIONALE&npag=35&file=F.xml&type=STANDARD
     
  3. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
  4. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can Sensi inject cash into the club? Isn't the club on the stock market?
     
  5. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Seems like some laws are getting re-written to try and save Napoli and Lazio?
    http://it.sports.yahoo.com/040624/4/1qzi.html

    Something about clubs with "particular relevance" being given some extra time to get their finances in order. Or something like that. Supposedly, the Petrucci Law is only relevant to smaller clubs. I guess that's because clubs with "particular relevance" get laws rewritten just for them. :rolleyes:
     
  6. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    right, I heard talk of a "Marzano Law" that would allow big clubs to freeze certain debts for 2 yrs. This could help Lazio/Napoli as it has Parma already...

    finding capital to pay players and register for the leagues are different issues tho...
     
  7. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Looks like Brindisi (Serie C2) is at risk.

    http://www.calcio.com/ultime_news.php?id=21349

    The only reason I noticed is that I recall they were as close to it gets to a Cinderella story in the Coppa Italia last season. They were a rare C2 team to even qualify for the Coppa Italia (a spot they earned by winning the previous year's Coppa Italia of Serie C). Then, mainly because of the strike by Serie B teams, they won their qualifying group and earned an even rarer opportunity to compete in the knockout phase vs a Serie A club - in this case, Bologna. Then, they even won the first leg, 3-2!! Alas, they lost in the return leg, 3-0.

    Anyway, I hope they manage to keep their spot in the league.
     
  8. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Found a site with some more info on the smaller clubs that are at risk of not gaining inscription:

    Foggia (C1)
    Monza (C2)
    Como (C1) - a year removed from Serie A!
    Ravenna (C2)
    Sora (C1)

    According to this link, L'Aquila (C1) and Isernia (C2) are already out.

    http://www.bustocco.it/punto/punto.htm
     
  9. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Another club at risk is Palmese (C2).
     
  10. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    More clubs at risk according to this page:

    http://www.tuttalac.it/societa.htm

    Avellino (C1)
    Martina (C1)
    Vis Pesaro (C1)
    Pro Sesto (C2)
    Meda (C2)
    Varese (C2)
    Taranto (C2)
    Gela (C2)
    Nocerina (C2)
    Paterno (C1)
    Fermana (C1)
     
  11. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
  12. NickyViola

    NickyViola Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Boston
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
     
  13. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Here is what appears to be the latest list of Serie C clubs at risk of not gaining admission:

    Already out -
    C2: Brindisi, L'Aquila, Isernia

    Still at risk -
    C1: Como
    C2: Acireale, Chieti, Martina Franca, Sora, Vis Pesaro, Varese, Ravenna, Gela, Palmese, Taranto

    Were at risk, seem to be okay now -
    C1: Foggia, Viterbese, Avellino
    C2: Monza
     
  14. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    First day of reckoning - the submission of paper for inscription to the league. After the papers are reviewed, a list of clubs not meeting requirements for inscription will be released. Those clubs will have a week or so to appeal before a final ruling is made.

    Three C2 clubs did not present papers - Varese, Palemse and Paterno.

    Viterbese and Mede presented their papers late while there was some problem with the papers of Vis Pesaro and Taranto.
     
  15. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Current list of clubs which seem to be at extreme risk -

    A: Lazio
    B: Napoli
    C1: Como, Viterbese, Vis Pesaro, Acireale, Sora
    C2: Brindisi, D'Aquila, Isernia (<- all out already), Varese, Palmese, Paterno, Meda, Taranto, Gela
     
  16. |--LdC--|

    |--LdC--| New Member

    Nov 16, 2003
    Lisboa/Portugal

    This is very sad for all the football lovers to see great clubs like Lazio, Roma and Napoli in this situation, but i think everyone was expecting something like this to happen, in the past seasons the situation was becoming worst every year, the Fiorentina situation should have warned all the clubs and their boards, but it seems they tought that a situation like Fiorentina was only an isolated case.
    In other hand i am curious to see what UEFA and European Union have to say about "The Salva Calcio" project.
     
  17. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
  18. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Today is the day when CoViSoc (Commissione di Vigilanza sulle Societa') presents the list of clubs whose financial papers do not meet their requirement for inscription into their respective leagues for next season. After the list is released, the clubs will have a few days to prepare appeals, and next Monday, the final rulings will be announced ...
     
  19. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Here is the list of clubs who did not make it in the first pass:

    Serie A - Siena and Reggina
    Serie B - Napoli, Ancona, Torino, Verona
    Serie C1 - Benevento, Como, Spezia, Teramo, Vis Pesaro, Viterbese
    Serie C2 - Brindisi, Isernia, L'Aquila, Meda, Paternò, Palmese, Ragusa, Taranto e Varese
     
  20. JimmieLivealot

    JimmieLivealot New Member

    Oct 22, 2002
    Austin, TX
    So what happens to these clubs? Do they go amateur, get dissolved with instant replacements like Fiorentina, or just fade away entirely?
     
  21. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Any of those are possible although the last one (completely fading away) is least likely. They could play in Serie D (amateur) or be replaced by another club - which should start out in Serie D, except in "special" cases like Fiorentina, which started in Serie C2. I thought I'd read somewhere that Alessandria had folded after last season, but then Juventus just played them in a pre-season friendly, so they're still around in some form or another.
     
  22. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Looks like 6 clubs (all C2) are officially out of the league after they did not present appeals to CoAViSoc (the appellate branch of CoViSoc):

    Brinidisi, L'Aquila, Isernia (<-these were known about already), Varese, Palmese, Paterno'.

    I'm particularly sad about Varese because we got a little bit lost in Varese and drove by their stadium on our way from Milan up to Lake Lugano when we first got to Italy on our honeymoon.
     
  23. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    CoAViSoc has today announced the rulings on the appeals of the teams named last week:

    Serie A - OUT - nobody. OKAY - Reggina, Siena.
    Serie B - OUT - Napoli, Ancona. OKAY - Torino, Verona.

    The situation in Serie C1 and C2 is less clear to me, but it appears that Como and Viterbese also had their appeals turned down. I'm not sure whether that means the other clubs are okay, or if some of them didn't appeal. Tomorrow, the league will (in all likelihood) confirm the rulings and announce which teams (if any) could be brought up to replace the two relegated Serie B clubs. I half expect they will simply leave it at a 20-team league, which it was before last season. The league will also release the list of teams in the various C1/C2 groups tomorrow.
     
  24. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    If they do keep Serie B at 22 teams, Bari and Pescara would be the teams to take the place of Napoli and Ancona.
     
  25. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Okay, here is the situation in Serie C:

    C1 - OUT - Como, Viterbese. OKAY - Benevento, La Spezia, Teramo, Vis Pesaro.

    C2 - OUT - Brindisi, Isernia, L'Aquila, Meda, Palmese, Paterno'. OKAY - Ragusa, Taranto, Varese. (which is confusing because I'm sure I saw Varese on a list of teams that was out at some point .... anyway ....).

    With two teams dropping from B to C1, and two teams dropping out of C1, it does make sense to me to keep Serie B at 20 teams, but that goes against the tradition of "ripescaggio", which means that some teams (eg Bari and Pescara) are expecting to get reinstated in the upper league and would definitely protest. Also complicating matters is the expected reinstatement of Cosenza in either C1 or C2.
     

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