46 Years Ago

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Motterman, Feb 6, 2003.

  1. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    45 Years Ago

    "Forever and ever,
    We'll follow the boys,
    Of Manchester United,
    The Busby Babes,
    For we made a promise,
    To defend our faith,
    In Manchester United,
    The Busby Babes,
    We've all sworn allegiance,
    To fight till we die,
    To stand by United,
    And the red flag we fly,
    There'll be no surrender,
    We'll fight to the last,
    To defeat all before us,
    As we did in the past,
    For we're Stretford Enders,
    With United we grew,
    To the famous Red Devils,
    We're loyal and true,
    To part-time supporters,
    We'll never descend,
    We'll never forsake you,
    We'll be here to the end,
    For we all remember,
    That '58 day,
    And the plane that once stood on,
    The Munich runway,
    As it tried to take off,
    For the third fatal time,
    The immortal young Babes were,
    Cut down in their prime,
    In the cold snow of Munich,
    They laid down their lives,
    But they live on forever,
    In our hearts and our minds,
    Their names are now legend,
    For the whole world to see,
    Why this club's a religion,
    Spelt M.U.F.C,
    So bow down before them,
    And lift up your eyes,
    For Old Trafford's glory,
    Will always survive..."

    http://www.munich58.co.uk/home.asp
     
  2. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Flowers of Manchester


    One cold and bitter Thursday in Munich, Germany,
    Eight great football stalwarts conceded victory,
    Eight men will never play again, who met destruction there,
    The Flowers of English football, the Flowers of Manchester.

    Matt Busby's boys were flying, returning from Belgrade,
    This great United family, all masters of their trade.
    The pilot of this aircraft, the skipper Captian Thain,
    Three times he tried to take off and twice turned back again.

    The third time down the runway, disaster followed close,
    There was slush upon that runway and the aircraft never rose.
    It ploughed into the marshy ground, it broke, it overturned,
    And eight of that team were killed when the blazing wreckage burned.

    Roger Byrne and Tommy Taylor who were capped for England's side,
    And Ireland's Billy Whelan and England's Geoff Bent died.
    Mark Jones and Eddie Colman and David Pegg also,
    They all lost their lives as it ploughed on through the snow.

    Big Duncan, he went too, with an injury to his brain,
    And Ireland's brave Jack Blanchflower will never play again.
    The great Matt Busby lay there, the father of this team,
    Three long months passed by before he saw his team again.

    The trainer, coach and secretary and a member of the crew,
    Eight great sporting journalists who with United flew,
    And one of them was Big Swifty who we will ne'er forget,
    The finest English keeper that ever graced a net.

    Oh England's finest football team it's record truly great,
    It's proud successes mocked by a cruel turn of fate,
    Eight men will never play again, who met destruction there,
    The Flowers of English Football, the Flowers of Manchester


    45 YEARS AGO


    There is a plaque at Man United,
    It's underneath the old main stand,
    It bears the name of Duncan Edwards,
    He was the finest in the land.

    But he died on Munich's runway,
    Without a tear, without a sound,
    His strong body battered and broke,
    As he lay helpless on the ground.

    From Salford hailed Eddie Colman,
    He'd been a Red for all his life,
    For the team he'd played for and supported,
    Our dear Eddie Colman died.

    The oldest babe was Roger Byrne,
    He was the captain of the team,
    He gave his life for Man United,
    With his best friend Liam Whelan.

    The Barnsley boy was Tommy Taylor,
    He cost nearly thirty thousand pounds,
    He gave his life for Man United,
    As the plane sleighed on the ground.

    But one man survived the aircrash,
    And he lived to tell the tale,
    Of the boys who played in Red,
    For they did not know how to fail.

    So we'll drink a toast to Matt Busby,
    And we'll drink one to that team,
    They were acclaimed the whole world over,
    They were the finest ever seen
     
  3. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    R.I.P.

    Roger Byrne

    Geoff Bent

    Eddie Colman

    Duncan Edwards

    Mark Jones

    David Pegg

    Tommy Taylor

    Billy Whelan

    Walter Crickmer (Club secretary)

    Bert Whalley (Chief Coach)

    Tom Curry (Trainer)

    Alf Clarke (Journalist – Manchester Evening Chronicle)

    Don Davies (Journalist – Manchester Guardian)

    George Fellows (Journalist – Daily Herald)

    Tom Jackson (Journalist – Manchester Evening News)

    Archie Ledbrooke (Journalist – Daily Mirror)

    Henry Rose (Journalist – Daily Express)

    Frank Swift (Journalist – News of the World)

    Eric Thompson (Journalist – Daily Mail)

    Willie Satinoff (Supporter)

    Capt. Kenneth Rayment (Co-pilot)

    Bela Miklos (Travel Agent)

    Tom Cable (Passenger)
     
  4. ManUtd R16

    ManUtd R16 New Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Berkeley, CA
    moment of silence . . .















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  5. mactheknife

    mactheknife New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    Baton Rouge, LA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    ::bows head::
     
  6. flounderchop

    flounderchop New Member

    Bows head while silently saying a prayer.
     
  7. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    46 Years Ago

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  8. Achtung

    Achtung Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another moment of silence....








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  9. Achtung

    Achtung Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its so weird standing under that clock... I can't even explain it.
     
  10. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Between that and standing under the statue of Sir Matt Busby, it can really give you the willies...
     
  11. Acronym

    Acronym BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Nov 26, 2003
    Ol' blighty
    Respect...
     
  12. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Isn't it strange for there to be atmosphere in an artificial setting??? This has almost become a hallowed board... which makes no sense, but most of sport does not so...
     
  13. eugene

    eugene New Member

    Feb 24, 2000
    new jersey, usa
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Munich 58: many questions

    I am just from reading the Munich58 and the Duncan Edwards sites. It is difficult to imagine a more moving drama, and not just in the sporting world, than the story of the Busby Babes. It’s not to be wondered at that their memory still resonates so strongly today. It’s a wonder that big-name film producer has not made a block-buster hit with it.

    I am from the USA and was born in 1955, so even though I was alive at the time of the tragedy, it was not until many years later that I learned of it. Remember that Denis Violet and Bill Foulkes both managed (“coached” as we say here!) teams in the old NASL in the 70s, and it was through the odd news story here and there that I began to learn of the tragedy of Duncan Edwards etc.

    Both pages were very moving, but given the scope and scale of the story, for me these pages raised more questions, and I hope the you all will please indulge me a little here if I ask questions that for the average ManU supporter are almost cliched:

    1. What was Duncan Edwards like as a player? What position did he play? Was he a goal scorer or goal creator? Was he a free-kick specialist, a terror in the box on corners and free-kicks? Fast?

    2. We all know when the Babes played their last game….but when the Babes first play together as a team?

    3. I read that the team played a Cup-tie SIX DAYS after the crash? How was that possible? Did any of the survivors play? THAT is a story in itself! And this survivor team went all the way the Final?!?!?

    4. I read that the team was supposed to play vs. Wolves the Saturday that followed the crash (Wolves were the “Man U” of the 50’s, right?). How did that season end up?

    5. The Babes were more than Edwards: in a sentence what were the other victims like?

    6. Is there anyone reading this who actually saw the team in person?

    7. In the Munich58 page, there is an article that interviews the wife of one of the survivors. She alleges that in fact MUFC were pretty sh---y to the families in the aftermath of the crash? True or false?

    8. I know that Bobby Charlton and Sir Matt Busby went on the win the Euro Cup in 1968. Where there any other Munich survivors still connected with the MUFC in ’68?

    9. How many of the survivors continued playing football?

    10. FINALLY, as with cataclysmic events, such as the Kennedy assassination for example, the even itself and personalities involved become for better or worse, emblems of their times and of a time lost forever. The event becomes a sort of “When Time Stopped” or “The Day the Music Died”. In this light, how could you fit the disaster and the personality/ legend of Duncan Edwards? I can imagine that the Babes, personified by Edwards, became the symbol of a UK that was finally emerging from the post war and post empire epoch. This team, comprised mainly of players who were children during the war, was the portent of the “New Britain” in the same way the Beatles were a portent of a new Britain (“Swinging England”) in their day. (and to think the Fab Four emerged not very long after the Disaster).

    Sorry to turn the chat list into a doctoral dissertation, but I hope I provide people with material to think about. Looking forward to the replies!

    Respectfully,
    Eugene
     

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