4 Subs?

wow.

 

What the Burn did was put I think Vaca in goal at the start of extra time and Countess in midfield. They then substituted Gbandi for Vaca as a GoalKeeper substitute (hence allowed...three outfielders plus goalkeeper) as soon as the play started Gbandi and Countess quickly jerseys and positions to allow Countess to go back in goal. A way around the rules, which I personally don't like..but as far as I understand is allowed..

I hope the explanation helps,

-Richard

 

The Burn circumvented the keeper sub rule; Gbandi put on the keepers' jersey, and Countess went to an outfield role for a minute or so--and then they switched.

 

If MLS is going to continue to allow this, they might as well just let all teams use 4 subs.

 

if you watched the game on the shootout, there was a camera on Sigi Schmid on the bench telling the team that they were going to do that same thing (this is before the OT even started) and he was explaining how they were going to sub someone as a GK. then it turned out dallas was going to do the same and they did so, but then LA decided not to and never followed Sigi's plan. so originally both teams were going to do so.
i think LA just decided they would rather play and maybe go after a goal or keep defending and holding possession, rather than waste time substituting again.

 

I think what will happen is that they will modify the rule to say that a team can use a forth substitution to substitute a goalie "in case of injury." That would eliminate the little scam we saw Saturday night.

Or simply modify the rule to say that only a goalkeeper can enter the game as the fourth substitute.

I'm surprised they didn't write the rule a little better in the first place.

 

the rule as it stands is crap.

 

RULE IS CRAP!!!!

MLS should either use 3 subs or 4 subs, that's it.

With the small rosters we have I think 4 subs is fine, no special subs for GK's. 4 SUBS - period, and each substitution should be sponsored by Subway...Lose weight just like Jared, this Dallas Burn sub-stitution brought to you by Subway.

 

This is dumb. GK change should be one of the 3 subs like the everywhere else.

If a team's GK is injuried with no subs left, that's life.

 

WHy is 3 better than 4?

 

For the same reason 90 is better than 100.

 

I think because of our small roster size we need to allow the extra sub, hoping that it prevents some injuries down the stretch.

that plus we play during the heat of the summer while most leagues are on vacation.

 

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!

 

This is not the first time this has happened.

And the rule, as written, is dumb. 3 subs or 4 subs - but this loophole stuff looks amateurish.

 

It does not surprise me that the Dallas coach is the one who disregards the spirit of the rules. MLS definitely needs to change the rule such that the goalie sub is required to stay in that position.

Changing the rule in MLS to allow four regular subs would not folow FIFA guidelines for league play I believe.
I think I read that FIFA allows for 3 subs including the keeper or 3 field players and an extra for the keeper.
Most leagues use the 3 subs total guideline.

 

Why the comment about Jeffries?

I saw this done earlier this season by Kansas City, and I've heard its been done at least 4x in the past.

 

Maybe the MLS should just tell the ref to wait 3 minutes or so before allowing the sub next time. I doubt Jefferies would put Vaca in net again if that happened.

 

KC was a little different though. Wolff got hurt and so they substituted Bo Oshin{whatever} for him, and had Meola switch shirts and go play forward (a position he did not look comfortable in).

 

Wolff never put on the keeper shirt at all, which appears worse to me.

 

I don't understand why MLS doesn't just put an end to the loophole by forcing coaches to note their goalkeepers on the substitute's list.

Obviously, the substitute's list has some meaning since last season, officials wouldn't let Clint Mathis on the field because he wasn't on the list.

It seems simple to me. On the substitute card, the coach must note his starting goalkeeper and his back-up goalkeeper. That noted bench goalkeeper is the only one that can be substituted for the starter. If the coach tries to make any other substitution for the goalkeeper, the officials simply won't let the player on the field.

Is there any reason why this wouldn't work?

 

I like the idea that if you use the 4th sub, that player that comes in is the only player that can play goal while he's on the field. Your idea would work as well though.

 

I have little problem with what KC did; Oshoniyi was the GK for the final few minutes of that game. I do, however, have a problem with what Dallas did. There was never any intention of using Vaca or Gbandi as GK. The rule revolves around who comes in (in this case, Oshoniyi and Gbandi), not who comes out (Wolff / Vaca).

Olesh -- the only concern with your plan is that GKs get hurt (even while not playing -- say, at halftime while fielding shots), and it's reasonable to need a field player to come in as GK as a last resort. I think the way you resolve this is by saying what Jasonma says above -- once a player subs in as a GK, he has to remain on the field as a GK or be subbed out (substitiutions limits permitting) for another keeper. Oshoniyi was subbed in to play GK; Gbandi was not.