4-3-3 vs Jamaica

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by braun, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. braun

    braun Red Card

    Feb 22, 2001
    metro Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After seeing the roster picks by JK vs Mexico, it seems likely that our starters vs Jamaica will be:

    HOWARD

    CHERUNDOLO EDU BOCANEGRA F JOHNSON


    WILLIAMS JONES BRADLEY


    DONOVAN ALTIDORE DEMPSEY


    Subs: Gomez, Boyd, Beasley, Torres, Beckerman, Goodson, Lichaj, Orozco, Castillo, Cameron, Guzan
     
  2. nathanwindu

    nathanwindu New Member

    Jul 26, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    A one-game experiment with Edu at CB, which we haven't seen the results of yet, does not indicate him being the starting CB in a WCQ'er. I like that JK is looking at all these different options during a friendly, but I expect no BS during games that count.

    Other than that, your lineup seems fairly reasonable, I would expect to see Torres/Edu at one of the 3 CM spots than Williams, unless he impresses Klinsmann a lot in that area. then we could see the normal 1 CDM-2 CM having Williams as the 6 and Bradley/Jones as the 2-way players.

    And just because Orozco was picked for a friendly for the first time in nearly a year, in a game that's in Mexico, where he plays club football, and is one of the few players readily available on a horrible FIFA date, does not mean he'll be on the WCQ roster. The same goes for Beasley (though I wouldn't mind seeing him on the squad), possibly Castillo, etc.

    So you're not too far off, I just think you're assuming too much from squad choices for a friendly, where we should expect to see this kind of experimentation, and a game which we haven't even see the results of those experimentations. Edu could be terrible at CB, and the same for Orozco at RB, or they could be brilliant and get another look at those spots. We don't know yet.
     
  3. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To me, i see it differently... Klinsy is experimenting with these players:

    Sean Johnson
    Nick Rimando
    Steve Beitashour
    Michael Orozco
    Matt Besler
    Maurice Edu as an emergency CB.
    Danny Williams at probably both RB and CDM
    Graham Zusi
    DaMarcus Beasley
    Brek Shea
    Joe Corona
    Chris Wondolowski
    Terrence Boyd

    Granted, he won't be able to get all of those faces on the field, but i see him using this game as a gauge for who is ready for prime time and who isn't. The rest: Howard, Castillo, Johnson, Cameron, Edu (as a CDM), Jones, Beckerman, Donovan, Gomez Klinsy knows he can trust along with Bocanegra, Cherundolo, Bradley, Dempsey, and Altidore.

    The only thing we can rely on is that we probably won't see any new faces in September and maybe even October until qualification is locked up. And who knows what's up with Chandler.
     
  4. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Certainly possible, in reading the tea leaves.

    But I think it may be the better of Edu or Cameron next to Boca in September -- the Azteca match is a trial by fire for both CBs, not just Edu.

    And, while I would start Altidore, I'm unsure about Klinsi, who may prefer Gomez at the moment.

    Williams will be auditioning for the DM role tonight, too. Impossible to know yet how that turns out, but I'm hopeful.

    Your subs have more doubts than your XI. I like Beasley, but I'm not sure Klinsi really does. Orozco isn't a sure bet at all. Lichaj would be there for me, but for Klinsi??? Both Castillo and Lichaj as backup outside backs? Or on the other hand, both Castillo and Beasley as backup left mids, especially since Klinsi seems willing to play Torres at LM? These bench guys are quite doubtful and hard to support by reading tea leaves.
     
  5. braun

    braun Red Card

    Feb 22, 2001
    metro Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jamaica will over-power Torres.
    Altidore, Dempsey, Donovan, Bradley, Jones, Edu, Dolo, Cameron, Boca, F Johnson, Howard to start.
     
  6. WIZinPHX89

    WIZinPHX89 New Member

    Aug 12, 2012
    PHX by way of ICT/MHK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like the 4-3-3 a lot...but see it looking a little more like:

    Dolo Boca Cameron F.Johnson

    Jones Bradley Torres

    Dempsey Jozy/Boyd Donovan
     
  7. WIZinPHX89

    WIZinPHX89 New Member

    Aug 12, 2012
    PHX by way of ICT/MHK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like the 4-3-3 a lot...but not the best fit to get all of our core on the field in the spots we need them to be. I like a 4-2-2-1-1 look for us a little better.

    Howard
    Dolo Boca Cameron F. Johnson
    Edu Torres
    Jones Donovan
    Dempsey
    Jozy/Boyd/Gomez
     
  8. matt021d

    matt021d Member

    Jul 28, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like this squad, as long as Bradley plays more advanced than both Jones and Edu
     
  9. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    i know it's been beaten to death but it looks like Chandler is coming in for Sept. friendly against Jamaica i'll try and find the article it's in german...gotta think it'd be Chandler, Lichaj, Boca, and Cameron as our back four with Fabian playing midfield...my oh my that would be nice to watch
     
  10. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please find that article and can you also translate it?
     
  11. WIZinPHX89

    WIZinPHX89 New Member

    Aug 12, 2012
    PHX by way of ICT/MHK
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    is this it? http://www.goal.com/de/news/827/bun...erg-als-mit-der-usa-gegen?source=breakingnews

    you also have to pay to see the full thing and I'm a cheapskate....so if someone else wants to pony up find out the full details and share with the rest of us, be my guest.
     
  12. PANDEMONEUM

    PANDEMONEUM Member

    Aug 30, 2011
    Club:
    Asteras Tripolis
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dempsey is not playing for his club team right now
    do we want him to start for USA vs Jamaica ?

    whats the story on Bocanegra ?
    hes looking for a new team ?

    idk how we can expect those 2 to start
    maybe thats where we make the subs at, around the 60th min

    our formation and who starts, changes vs opponent/their style and the results we are looking for
    at Jamaica, we will play more defensive, with more Mids
    at Home vs Jamaica, we will attack more

    imo, jamaica 4-1-2-2-1
    cherundolo - edu - cameron - johnson
    --------------beckerman--------------
    -----------bradley - jones-----------
    donovan --------------------- torres
    --------------gomez--------------

    for subs, i can see 1 of Altidore or Boyd, Dempsey, Shea, Williams
    for torres, if he disappears again
    jones, if he gets another yellow
    beckerman, if wer changing the formation/tactics, late in the match
     
  13. USA2823

    USA2823 Member

    Feb 5, 2010
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Do we want Dempsey to start in Jamaica? I'm gunna go with yes on that one.
     
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  14. PANDEMONEUM

    PANDEMONEUM Member

    Aug 30, 2011
    Club:
    Asteras Tripolis
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    but, if he gets injured, that ruins his $/new club chances
    his current team, Fullham, will b mad if he holds out and doesnt play for them
    (if his situation isnt figured out by then)
    but will go play for the USA team
    IF, he gets to a new club, will he b able to leave them to play for USA ?
    is that good for him ? will his club allow/not mind ?
    what do u expect his conditioning to b ?
    training on your own, and with a team is very different
     
  15. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No he shouldn't and we don't need him to. He doesn't have a club and shouldnt risk injury. Cause unlike edu and boca he has a shot at going to a good club.

    Id start

    -----------------altidore
    Shea-----------Gomez---------Donovan
    ---------Bradley--------beckerman
    Johnson----boca/edu/reams----cam----chandler/lichaj/dolo
     
  16. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    by september 7th...it wont matter. he will have been with whatever club he is going to play with for a week
     
  17. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Transfer window closes on Aug 31. The first Jamaica match is Sept 7, a week later.
     
  18. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True but he will also be trying to earn first team minutes with a new club and won't be a lock like at fulham. So it might be better to give him time to earn his new keep than have him for jamaica.
     
  19. USA2823

    USA2823 Member

    Feb 5, 2010
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    We're talking about 2 qualifiers here. Maybe he misses 1 of the games, but I can't see Klinsy not having (needing) him for at least 1 of the games, pref. @ Jamaica.
     
  20. FW__

    FW__ Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Chattanooga, TN
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which game? I think we see a different lineup, or formation away vs home.
     
  21. braun

    braun Red Card

    Feb 22, 2001
    metro Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You could very well be right although JK has not mixed it up that much in other match series?
    If true that Chandler is showing up in September, then he could start at right or left depending. But he has to be playing better than in-form Orozco and Castillo now but who aren't so tired.:)
    F Johnson could play in MF, which frees up LB.
    Dempsey in limbo is a concern for both Jamaica games as it will be for JK but maybe not.
    Who knows, maybe Kljestan plays and impresses today.
    Maybe JK saw more in Bedoya yesterday for Helsingborg than I did.
    No accident that Williams played at either RM or CM. That's why I put him down as a starter.
    Beckerman is an enigma, a slower one, but could be in the middle with Jones and Bradley at either side.
     
  22. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    A 4-3-3 don't think so. Very unlikely that will happen for a lot of reasons. You don't play three forwards because that congests the up top space. So the mids will get less involved in the attack. Plus will at least 2 of the strikers get behind the ball when we lose the ball? Plus less chance to confuse the opponents defense as well.

    A player like dempsey will always be up when the ball is up no matter what position you play.

    It is good for the womens game because they all can't fall back behind the ball when the ball is lost. They are too slow in speed to do that.
     
  23. StrikerX4

    StrikerX4 Member

    Jun 16, 2011
    Lawrence, NJ
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've been playing some version of the 4-3-3 quite often. It's probably the most popular formation in the game currently. The 3 up top are not all strikers - it's really a lone striker up top with two wings at his sides or two strikers with a support forward playing just underneath. Whether it is labeled 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1, or 4-3-2-1; it's all some version of 4-3-3.
     
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  24. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In general, it's insane to imagine Dempsey not starting both matches. However, given his lack of club play the last couple of months, I would not be surprised to see him as a sub in one of the two matches. It would depend on JK's evaluation of his fitness and his training form. Also, if JK goes very defensive with 3-4 CM/DM types @ Jamaica in the first game, then I could easily imagine Dempsey saved for a 2nd half sub role away, but starting the subsequent home match.

    Push comes to shove, though, I think there is better than 50% chance JK starts Dempsey both matches. JK loves his Euro Club veterans, Dempsey has the best career club pedigree of any US field player, he's at the peak of his playing career, and it's not like Dempsey has been on the shelf for for half a year.
     
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  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The team has generally been going with 4141 and 4231. I wonder if Klinsmann will ever bring the diamond from Slovenia back.

    He stresses getting games, fitness, and form, e.g., his occasional calling out of Altidore and Guzan's tumbling down the pecking order, so I wouldn't be surprised if Dempsey isn't called in. In addition the coach will have confidence in the guys from the Mexico match, confidence enough not to feel the need to go with a player lacking sharpness.
     

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