"3 at the back" vs. "four defenders"

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  1. SoccerFanInIA

    SoccerFanInIA Member

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Oct 28, 2021
    A lot of what you say is subjective
     
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  2. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Objective judgment is more important, unless it doesn't align with his subjective judgment, in which case his subjective judgment is clearly correct and you and I and the coach and everyone that disagrees with him is an idiot.

    [​IMG]
     
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  3. SoccerFanInIA

    SoccerFanInIA Member

    Sporting KC
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    Oct 28, 2021
    ““I repost angry tweets on here from other people’s account that are most of the time opinion based” but I’m the objective one here””
     
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  4. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    United States
    "Over their last 6 games (Saudi x 2, Australia x2, Mexico, US) Japan have only scored 2 goals from open play"

    So no actual counter arguments in response to this huh?
     
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  5. SoccerFanInIA

    SoccerFanInIA Member

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    Oct 28, 2021
    A bad run of play means they’re players are bad? If that’s the case all the players you think are good must stink. They have in fact lost to Panama twice in the past 18 months. I thought you would apply your own schtick to Japan, obviously bad results means “bad coach, not bad players”. Can’t even keep up with your own circles you talk yourself into I guess.
     
  6. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I wish that everything you say was subjunctive
     
  7. SoccerFanInIA

    SoccerFanInIA Member

    Sporting KC
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    Oct 28, 2021
    Lol thanks man, glad someone can appreciate my objectivity!
     
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  8. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    I just looked at their record this year. You, too, can see this information so that you can confirm, with your own eyes, that the "last 6 games" they've played does not include Saudi Arabia and Australia twice. Hell, their last 6 games DON'T EVEN INCLUDE THOSE TWO TEAMS ONCE. How's that for a counter argument?
     
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  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    In this context, whether the goals were from set pieces or open play doesn’t really matter.

    Right?
     
  10. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I watched the video to see where that guy was getting his stats. He says he's only including games against reasonable opposition (he's essentially excluding qualifiers against Bahrain and Indonesia, and any of the East Asian Cup games where teams only bring domestic-based squads). So that's:

    0-2 loss to the US (friendly)
    0-0 tie vs Mexico (friendly)
    0-1 loss to Australia (WCQ, but already qualified)
    0-0 draw vs Saudi Arabia (WCQ, but already qualified)
    1-1 draw vs Australia (WCQ)
    2-0 win vs Saudi Arabia (WCQ)

    3 goals total, one of them off a corner.
     
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  11. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

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    Cool, sure, so he cherry picks data points (and doesn't tell anyone what rule he used to cherry pick) and then throws out data points until his argument works. Got it.
     
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  12. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

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    It matters because xbhaskarx says it does.
     
  13. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Okay let's include the one goal off a corner, that brings the grand total up to THREE goals over those six games against non-crap opponents! With two of those three goals coming in a win over... Saudi Arabia.

    What exactly does that say to you very smart people?
     
  14. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

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    I'll try this again, since you ignored the response you requested a week ago.

     
  15. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    You're the smartest guy in the room and you're still not going to respond to me, huh?
     
  16. SamsArmySam

    SamsArmySam Member+

    Apr 13, 2001
    Minneapolis, MN
    This is also the key Q for me... Who are the starting 3 CBs, and who is our depth?
    I got Chris Richards as a starter.

    Then I got.... ?
     
  17. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The reference was to recent history.
     
  18. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Upcoming window: LCB: McKenzie CCB: Ream RCB: Richards or LCB: McKenzie CCB Richards RCB: Scally
    Come World Cup time: LCB: Banks CCB: Richards RCB: Scally
    Depth candidates: McKenzie, Ream, MRobinson, Harriel, GCampbell
     
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  19. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    If you can cover for Blackmon's defense, then his passing stats were fantastic.
     
  20. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    That would be good because you have speed. But I dont see Poch going for it. Can Jedi play in a back 3? He might go for that.

    If not, who does that third CB displace? I’d love to see it then become a 3-5-2 (3-2-3-2) with Pulisic and Balo up top, and CP-Tillman-Weah (or Dest) behind.
     
  21. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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    FC Schalke 04
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    United States
    Is Pulisic and CP not the same person?
     
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  22. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Yes, but we really need him in both places.
     
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  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Pech not going for what?

    I've not seen a positional listing showing Jedi in a back-3. He has played wingback.
     
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  24. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Scally in a back 3
     
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  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The other candidates for RCB would be Richards, Miles, or Campbell
     

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