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Had actually read this earlier when you posted it, and it sounds like the NCAA (in the spirit of what Brian Bosworth once referred to them as "National Communists Against Athletes" ) may be lining up their opposition in the coming days... Had a hunch that this was bound to happen, and the dust is far from settled, methinks. Great find! Very informative graphics in the DMN... Now all we need are some preliminary renderings of the stadium itself.
aye... the only rule that byu should be worrying about is title 9 (from everything i've seen)... so i can't see what the ncaa's can really do, although that won't stop them from trying to strong arm them back in... in fear that others will see the ncaa isn't needed
True, that. The NCAA could perceive BYU's move as an "end run" around Title IX, and that might give the NCAA the impetus to say, "Oh, no you don't," over making the move to the PDL for their club soccer program. Oh, well... the constituionality of these matters is bound to be tested, and that's where it is going to get interesting, IMO.
i'm sorry, what i meant was that byu will still have to worry about title 9... one of the big things with ncaa sports is maintaining an equality in scholarships, but it affects club sports as well... i figure that as long as there were equal opportunities before the move to pdl and that the money stays the same (as has been indicated to be the case), then byu doesn't have much to worry if byu gets through this, i'm pretty sure you will see other programs follow suit... whether it be from club to pdl, like byu, or ncaa to pdl... we will just have to wait and see
This may be the first crack in the NCAA's control over intercollegiate athletics. If BYU's soccer team manages to join the PDL and complete under the BYU banner, then what's to stop a football or baseketball team from joining a minor league in their sport. The NCAA will fight this tooth and nail. Sachin
What's to stop..... Uh, I'd say practically no basketball/football teams will think about this....why would you possibly give up rivalries (Clemson vs. South Carolina, Alabama vs. Auburn, Florida, Georgia)...that guarantee huge attendence to play minor-league team schedule that far less will care about.. this is mostly a one-off situation, although could turn into something for "minor" sports...
But in spite of it probably being a rare thing, I'd still expect the NCAA to fight it. I don't see how they have any jurisdiction, but my sense it that doesn't slow them down much.
I would not be surprised to see the NCAA come up with something that would threaten the membership of a school if it aligns with a professional or professional-like entity. In other words, the same kind of strong-arming FIFA uses to discourage "rogue" leagues.
This statement kind of bugs me now. With the attendance trends we've been seeing lately is it smart to put the MLS championship game in a stadium that only seats 20,000? I mean if we can get 61k in NE, you'd think we could get at least half that next year. And by 2005 when this stadium would probably open, I think we could probably do better than 20k. Just my opinion.
Re: Re: 3/7/03: Go BYU, Go!! Question is, could a college with a varsity team compete both in NCAA competition and in PDL competition during the spring/summer? I'm sure a lot of college's would love to do that. Especially a college like Creighton, which doesn't have bigtime D1 football, would have a lot more money to invest in the program, and would probably do pretty well with good rivalries with the Sioux Falls and Des Moines clubs, which are both about 3 hours away from Omaha.
Re: Re: 3/7/03: Go BYU, Go!! I think only soccer fans would find a way to complain when someone wants to build us a stadium.
Re: Re: 3/7/03: Go BYU, Go!! I've long felt that the MLS Cup holders should get 1st rights to the following year's cup - as a reward. Since that's obviously not happening, I'd like to see the cup held all MLS cities. Dallas, with its own SSS, would be a great choice. Me, I'm waiting for San Jose to get the Cup final once the SJSU football program goes belly up. Tick. Tick. Tick.
Re: Re: Re: 3/7/03: Go BYU, Go!! The title game to the holder is a cool idea, but now the reward isn't for winning, it's for building. And that is the way to go. if they build this place, I bet it has the Cup, the ASG and a WCQ within two years. Now that's incentive.
The reward for building is a one shot deal. MLS isn't saying they'll get the Cup ever again if the seating is too limited. But I think the short term sacrifices for the Cup games are a worthwhile trade-off to get long-term stadiums built. And THEN, once those stadiums are in place, we can hold the Cup in sold-out NFL-size stadiums thereafter.
Meanwhile, in what is quickly looking like the Dogpatch of the D/FW suburbs... Ruling on Dallas Burn seating at stadium due Friday - Dallas Morning News (Northeast Tarrant County edition)
Re: Re: Re: 3/7/03: Go BYU, Go!! I'm not complaining, just questioning whether we should be putting the premier event in the MLS season in a venue that only holds 20k, when we can be getting 30k and 40k to attend.
I'd prefer to see the MLS Cup sold out with no empty seats visible on TV. A championship game should have the atmosphere of a sell-out with tickets in high-demand - something you don't get with a less-than-half-full Rosebowl (for example). Plus, if the new Dallas stadium is decent (and get's built), it will enhance the experience of the game for attendees and viewers (as opposed to a pointyball stadium) and will be a chance for MLS execs to talk up the health and growth of the league to a national audience by showcasing their barnd new spiffy SSS. The HDC is hosting the 2003 Cup and I don't think their (initial) capacity is much more than 20,000, right? I forget, but isn't it 22-24k? Besides, the 61,000 at Gillette had more to do with the fact that New England was playing in their first championship at home - hardly the sort of thing one can plan for.
Well, we had that atmosphere for months and months before the MLS 2001 final, and when it came down to it, there were plenty of tickets available day of game, after a lot of talk about lotteries and the like. Not only that, but there were a lot of empty seats during the game too.
SUN 10/20/02 Los Angeles v New England 61,316 MLS Cup 2002 SUN 10/26/97 Colorado v DC United 57,431 MLS Cup 1997 SUN 10/25/98 DC United v Chicago 51,350 MLS Cup 1998 SUN 11/21/99 Los Angeles v DC United 44,910 MLS Cup 1999 SUN 10/15/00 Chicago v Kansas City 39,159 MLS Cup 2000 SUN 10/20/96 DC United v Los Angeles 34,643 MLS Cup 1996 SUN 10/21/01 San Jose v Los Angeles 21,626 MLS Cup 2001 MLS has been moving into smaller stadiums to accomodate lower crowds and to improve their bottom lines. Mostly because demand is not their for regular season games to fill those 50-60k stadiums. And cost is prohibitive to play in them. But MLS Championships have averaged at least 40k (except for C-Bus). Demand is there to fill those 40-60k stadiums, so why not do it? Why limit yourself to 20k when you could get 60k? Just "featuring" a stadium for one day, and taking away probably at least $500,000 in ticket revenue is not a smart thing to do. Obviously, if the bottom line for MLS is improved by playing in those smaller stadiums for MLS Cup vs. getting 40-60k in a bigger stadium they don't control, my opinion would be influenced.
Has everyone forgot that last years MLS Cup was at one of the two teams participating? If it is held in Foxboro again and Los Angeles and NY/NJ are playing they would not have the same numbers.
Exactly, what are the chances Dallas will ever be in an MLS Cup?? We should give the cup to somebody who actually has a chance of being at MLS cup in their own stadium.
I think you probably should have used Kansas City or Dallas as an example rather than the Metrostars. For the most part, New York fans show up to support their teams in New England venues.
Re: Re: 3/7/03: Go BYU, Go!! Let's not forget that Columbus Crew stadium wasn't even sold out for the 2001 MLS Cup.
There were hundreds and hundreds of un-used tickets in addition to people changing their plans due to 9-11. Why does everyone forget that?