Which *message* do you mean? FIFA's *corporate message* of "Say No To Racism"? We just had the 2022 WC champs singing about French black players. FIFA was busy counting Qatari revenue. WCs were and will be awarded to anyone willing to pay up, no human rights enter the conversation. 2034 WC at KSA says Hi!
I did not claim that some places are less discriminatory than others, There's a difference between the existence of discrimination and expressing it in stadiums.
This is the duplicity that FIFA loves from its fans. FIFA: Hey guys! So here is my list of things you should not say in my stadiums, mmm'kay? MEX fan: I don't see my popular chants here. Honestly FIFA, I am a bit disappointed. Are we not *good enough* for you? FIFA: Think about it. As long as you keep your chants in Mexican slang, you can always play the reverse-racism card. Anybody else? ESP fan: we do not to hide our chants, they are in proper Spanish. If you want us to stop targeting Muslims, can we still sing about North Africans? FIFA: Just keep your chants in non-English slang and your sweet words will fall on my deaf ears. ARG fan: yo FIFA, can I play too? FIFA: come on ARG, what do I need to repeat myself?
What in the world are you blabbering about? how is that clowning is even related to my quoted comment! Sorry but ever since I mentioned the incident of the Spain-Egypt match, you’ve been scrutinizing every word I say, as if it bothered you that those racist chants were called out and condemned. And now you're trying to make my words mean something I didn't intend? I don't care what you think But Racism is not allowed in football and must not be tolerated, be it in English or in outer space languages, simple as that, and that is all there is to it.
@SoccerJunio , fair enough man. Just think about it. Which phrases/chants should FIFA ban from stadiums? Bigots will simply use FIFA's roadmap to avoid punishment, and still manage to broadcast their xenophobia via new code words. Bigots are gonna bigot regardless. I would have FIFA record their faces in HD as they chant in WC venues. Then show them on replay during hydration breaks, with a caption below reading "sponsored by XYZ". But that's bad business.
@bigsoccertst1 By your logic, we shouldn’t have laws against theft, because thieves can always find new ways to steal, Not being able to eliminate Racism entirely doesn't justify doing nothing—measures still reduce it.
Yet, totally okay, even encouraged by FIFA, if racism occurs in the same host country but outside the stadiums (or even in the stadiums, as they're being built). Anyway, the composition of the crowds is always quite different between WC matches and other "regular" games. Seems unlikely that an incident like this would occur at a WC game.
Here is the US, we have laws against theft, assault, and hate speech. If someone throws a water bottle at me while using a racial slur, I can press charges for a felony hate crime. FIFA does not have any laws against theft, assault, nor hate speech. So, in what legal framework can FIFA start policing criminal behavior?
Irrelevant, we're not talking here about the type of laws governments enact, do those who demand an end to racism mean that racists should be imprisoned? of course not. you can't control what others believe. If some considers themselves to be of the superior race, that's their business. But within the context of football, those in charge of the game, the players, the fans, and the media... they don't want those people chanting their outdated mindset slogans inside and around stadiums. FIFA and football federations, of course, have all the authority to reduce that if they work together. How? Well by imposing sanctions on clubs/federations, such as playing certain matches with empty stands, and also through fines and point deductions. They can also ban certain individuals from entering stadiums, etcetera. I remember in a match between Denmark and Sweden in EURO 2008 Qualifiers, the referee announced a late penalty for Sweden and gave a red card to a Danish player, someone angry from Denmark crowd entered the field trying to reach the ref, the latter ended the game immediately and UEFA changed the results from 3-3 to 3-0 for Sweden, not sure but I heard that person was prevented from entering stadiums forever, guess what? it has never happened in a national teams match in Europe ever since. Senegal tried to bully the Final and withdraw refusing a VAR decision? well Stripping them of the title will make sure to never see such behavior in football again. This is how lessons are taught, this is how people will enter stadiums only to cheer and enjoy the game. Yes, it's true that racism won't be completely eradicated, and it's true that it's impossible to monitor everyone, but with strict laws, this can be tamed. Now the question is whether FIFA has enough power to impose stricter laws, and to what extent do federations and clubs want to reduce racism in stadiums and among fans? We'll see.
No lessons were learned. Violent fans did not stop being violent just because a Danish idiot was arrested in Copenhagen: a) Quick Google searches show UEFA fans invading pitches+injuring players, causing EURO qualifiers matches to be abandoned: - 2015: https://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/mo...amed-for-violence-in-euro-qualifier-1.3013600 - 2014: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29627246 b) Your violent fan in EURO 2008 qualifiers was arrested by Danish law enforcement for breaking Danish law in that match: - 2007: fan apologizes for being an idiot - https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/04/sports/04iht-soccer.4.5993287.html - 2012: fan not sorry, tries to reduce his fine; Appeals civil court doubles it - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/10/denmark-fan-damages-attack-referee
Well how do you know that other Danish fans didn't think inside their head to make similar violence later? but refrained because Denmark lost that game on paper 3-0 and the fan was prevented from attending stadiums? just after AFCON final there were multiple incidents around the world where teams tried to pull a Senegal, if the title stripping happened on day 1, I'm pretty sure those similar incidents would not have happened, or at least not as much. In Morocco, violence in sport has decreased significantly compared to what it was not long ago, thanks to stricter laws and the installation of cameras in stadiums. Yes it still happens from time to time but not as much. So for the billion time, I don't mean that a certain bad image (be it Racism or Violence...) can be completely eradicated, but through strict laws and actions, it can be reduced, it's simple math. I'm not sure where you're trying to go here! do you want me to say let's do nothing to fight these bad images that's pollutes sport? If so I'm sorry to let you down. I guess enough said.
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What good are these laws, if there's no punishment for offenders?? I could rip-off your WC tix in California, and as long as they are valued below $950 -- I walk! In DC, I can throw my Subway sandwich at a cop...and walk! Don a mask and vandalize -- even burn down -- a Federal building in Portland, OR...and I am celebrated.
With these two posts, we have started to move into a conversation about laws, in general, rather than news that is directly pertinent to the World Cup. Time to redirect, folks.
Morocco and the United States strengthen their ties through football diplomacy https://www.atalayar.com/en/articulo/sports/morocco-and-the-united-states-strengthen-their-ties-through-football-diplomacy/20260504162050225375.amp.html