2026 WC USA (et al): Worldwide Opponents Watch [all R's]

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  1. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I have no idea what this is in response to, but I approve
     
  2. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol. Absurd.

    Cant give that type of possession to about anyone.
     
  3. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Milpitas, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, it's proof that it's rigged, don'tcha know? European teams can't lose without rigging.
     
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  4. BCFy

    BCFy Member

    Sounders FC
    United States
    Sep 20, 2021
    Seattle, WA
    Worse it was obvious 5 minutes into the bunker that it wasn’t going to hold for 30 minutes. Tuchel could have changed the plan though he had already committed subs. Instead he tried minor repairs that very predictably failed. Truly coaching malpractice.
     
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  5. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    (I think that was part of the joke.)
     
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  6. S.J. Jim

    S.J. Jim Member+

    Jun 11, 2006
    S.J.
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    100%, I saw it the same way, and saw it very early on. A couple of Pickford saves even preceded the McAlister header off the post. England were sitting so deep, it was clear as day that Argentina was going to score, and once they scored, it would have been a big surprise if they hadn't scored again before ET. I mean, just look at their games in this WC, let alone their extended history with Messi and this group. And they were INVITED to score goals. It was truly mind-boggling to me that England (Tuchel) thought that they could hold on to a 1-0 lead for that long.

    It's kind of odd (and interesting) to listen to various analysis shows on youtube, and see the various levels of anger and disgust- but also mild criticism and even excuse-making for what Tuchel did. Some of the more well-known and established pundits tend to want to avoid harsh criticism, because they have jobs to protect. I wanted to hear somebody really tell the whole truth and expose Tuchel's historic blunders for what they were. I finally found one that I think is on the money, and helps to relieve some of the frustration I felt by having to witness that pathetic meltdown (and I'm not even an England fan- I just wanted to see a great game, played the right way)

     
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  7. Spbbbb

    Spbbbb Member

    Minnesota United
    United States
    Apr 22, 2025
    2028 Euro is the last chance for this England generation.

    They’re hosting it too. No excuse for that one
     
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  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    He should have played Mainoo but this also goes back to his decision to not bring Wharton, Alex Scott, and other alternatives to Rice and Anderson who he would have felt comfortable giving minutes to (cause he wasn’t with Jordan Henderson even before his injury). Especially given Rice was clearly not at full strength throughout the tournament.
     
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  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean last chance for Kane but a number of these guys will be back in 4 years. They were the 5th youngest team in the tournament and the youngest of the semi finalists. And they do have some interesting up and coming players. But of course so do France and Spain and Harry Kane one of the best 9s of his generation is a huge hole to try and fill (and arguably the best England player ever?).
     
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  10. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Ok this is hilarious from the English press.
     
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  11. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    I think Englands game against Norway cost them too much. Argentina got to play in air conditioning while England played 120 in 100 degree heat.
     
  13. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Argentina's quarterfinal was in Kansas City
     
  14. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Obviously the skill and tactical knowledge are big gaps, but how we played versus how Argentina acted when down were night and day.

    There's just a gulf on that end.
     
  15. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I think a national team coach can do very little here.

    Poise, composure and confidence are built with experience. That insane level of competitive drive is built years before.
     
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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I honestly think it came down to Tuchel more than anything.

    England was ahead -- I don't think they had been better than Argentina but they got that one play. Perhaps Argentina comes back anyway, but when they moved to a defensive posture, that shifts your thinking as well.

    Argentina just peppered them, but the tactics were to do nothing. Like the US, I don't really think England are built for the bunker mentality, and it showed.

    If Tuchel just has them keep playing, who knows what happens... but not that.
     
  17. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Certainly can't give it to the best player of all time and a team with a slew of guys who hit bangers from outside the box.
     
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  18. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    The reaction after the Argentina goal by both sides showed they both knew it as well.
     
  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    England losing every major tournament brings me so much joy.

    The only thing that brings me more joy is England fans, for some inexplicable reason, not understanding why England losing brings the rest of the world so much joy.

    Can't figure it out?

    What was the difference between England and Argentina?

    Argentina has Messi an England doesn't.

    If England uses those same tactics against most teams at the event, they work.

    I'm not even sure this Argentina team is actually all that great. They seem to pull the rabbit out of the hat every game.
    But that rabbit is the best player who ever lived who springs up to make the right decision, the right pass, the right cross, the right shot..........when things matter the most. Its incredible.
     
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  20. fishmonger

    fishmonger Member

    Jul 2, 2014
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    apparently a new headline is natural selection is breeding out bald men. and favoring red hair. what a crock. a few years ago they were saying blonds and gingers would be extinct. i'm a big guy for science, but the press can seize one small study out of context and run with it. any glance around any room and you will see baldness ain't going anywhere, and i'd argue that we are evolving away from hair not toward it.....
     
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  21. fishmonger

    fishmonger Member

    Jul 2, 2014
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    is it me or did argentina have a relatively easier path than spain, and still had to come from behind a lot? i don't think they can handle spain, tbh. i think they haven't really been tested by anyone that good before england.
     
  22. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    People have been saying Argentina haven't looked impressive and have struggled too much since game 1 of the last World Cup. Nothing's changed. If they lose it won't be because of how they looked while winning the last game.
     
  23. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Me, too.

    I've developed this little theory / framework about long suffering fanbases who win. Most of them are the Cubs -- they finally win a title, everyone is happy for them, they are super positive and after they win, they are a very similar fanbase. Thankful for winning and they remember being loveable losers.

    And then a few are the Red Sox. As soon as they won, they became the worst fanbase in baseball. Far worse than Yankees fans. Intolerable arrogant aholes.

    You can tell if England ever wins, they are absolutely going to be Sox fans. They haven't won shit in forever; they are already arrogant dicks on the whole. How bad will they be if they win?
     
  24. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    One of the things to look for in any field like this is extrapolation of trends rarely holds. People always act like things don't change -- or even that the very growth they are seeing doesn't often push back on itself.

    Things like the above -- essentially aesthetics -- are especially prone because being different is always somewhat cool to people. Which is why actually redheads have been growing in % for a long time despite the whole dominant gene thing.

    Another one of my favorites was the massive panic about overpopulation. People just drew a straight line and totally ignored the fact that every biological population has some self governance to it. There's lots of reasons why people are now having less kids but some of it is simply that there's too many of us.

    And it'll be the same with the current underpopulation freakout. Oh, there's some economic implications but at some point people will start having more kids again, once there's much more of an equilibrium to what we want.
     
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  25. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Its true. They've had an easier path. That's just the way the draw worked out after the Group phase.

    ..................but it doesn't seem to matter.

    Every game they look like they're in trouble, but Messi pulls the rabbit out of the hat.

    Its greatness at a level we don't even know what to do with.

    He could win the Golden Boot at 39 years old.

    The previous four golden boot winners were 20, 22, 24, and 23.

    What Messi is doing at this World Cup really does defy logic.

    It defies logic to such a degree that we all just sit back when he does something magical and say "Yeah, what should I have expected? A pinpoint, perfect cross with his weaker foot to win a World Cup semifinal in extra time. Sure. I believe it. Why not?"
     
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