2026 WC USA (et al): Worldwide Opponents Watch [all R's]

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  1. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Simulation has been a yellow card for decades. Now they're getting caught. Do it twice and you're gone. I have zero problem with that.

    A lot of players are going to clean up their acts. They're going to stop covering their mouths to insult opponents in a hurry too. If you take something seriously, you issue real penalties for it.
     
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  2. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For U16 boys, the real deterrent would be a yellow for simulation followed by a TikTok critique of the diver’s haircut by a panel of high school girls.
     
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  3. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Can we stop with “Embolos yellows were legit therefore Argentina isn’t favored”? Both can be true. What percentage of yellow-worthy dives actually get cards? In the grand scheme of things Argentina seems to avoid yellows for yellow worthy behavior more so than other teams. Both Ilsandro and Romero have had yellow worthy collisions in this game and it wasn’t called. That’s Argentina’s charmed
    Life in the last two WCs.
     
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  4. la torre

    la torre Member+

    Dec 27, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    not sure if it borders on conspiracy but Argentina has the least cards per fouls this World Cup by a wide margin. I don’t have an explanation for it but it’s pretty noticeable watching the games.
     
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  5. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    You do you, I disagree.
     
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  6. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Yeah if people want to argue that the punishment for two yellows is too harsh, I’d agree in some ways, but that problem can’t be fixed by simply ignoring yellow card infractions.
     
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  7. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will say, if Argentina win this, England will be heavily, heavliy favored.
     
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  8. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    This isn't in reference to Embolo, who was clearly diving, but I've always wondered with refs if they get, that there's a difference between diving, and exaggeration to make sure a foul is actually seen? I think most refs get this, but sometimes, I'm not sure, and because we all hate diving, Rivaldo's in '02 being the penultimate example, we forget that a lot of dives are actually a player simply trying to exaggerate a foul so that its actually seen by the ref. I hate diving and simulation as much as the next guy, but we have to get that at least some of it is simply meant to draw the refs attention to a foul that actually did happen, just not as severely as pretended.
     
  9. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Messi VERY close to getting the game winner
     
  10. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With his right

    That would have been a crazy twist
     
  11. GKbenji

    GKbenji Member+

    Jan 24, 2003
    Fort Collins CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure who/what you're quoting, but that's the new normal with VAR. Let the action play out, and only afterwards call offside, just in case the AR got it wrong. You can go back to an offside call after a goal, but you can't re-create a goal if you mistakenly called offside first.
     
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  12. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Nah, they won't, England has been utter ---- against Ghana, Panama, DR Congo, and Norway, and probably escaped Azteca only because El Tri applied absolutely moronic tactics to try to equalize in their match.

    Argentina has sucked for much of the WC too, but it's basically a lot of the same for both of them, struggling to put away teams they are definitively better than and in Argentina's case, comically so.

    They are very similar. I agree that England is clearly and emphatically better, period, but I imagine when the game, if it happens, hits the betting sites England will probably be -110 or -120 to Qualify at best, and I'm betting most sites will probably have draw as the most likely outcome in regulation.
     
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  13. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    … damn
    [​IMG]
     
  14. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Not quoting anyone, he's just making fun of potential takes by the more tin foil conspiracy inclined like myself.
     
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  15. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    I just want to quote this post so it can live on in the thoughts of more posters dreams. This is just a wondrously beautiful idea.
     
  16. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    VERY nice save on a great attempt deep in injury time.
     
  17. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I think post match yellows for simulation based on video review would kill diving.
     
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  18. Jon Pall

    Jon Pall Member

    Mar 29, 2003
    Missouri
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Good, im glad its going to ET. Argentina are going to exhaust themselves
     
  19. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Argentina has not played particularly well tonight nor at any point in the knockout stage.
     
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  20. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    would LOVE to see it.
     
  21. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    They’ve definitely benefited from the calls. I do think it’s more likely that they’ve just been on the lucky end of some bad calls than that there’s something sinister going on though. When refs make a bad call between two average teams, it’s just a bad call, but when they make calls that benefit a media darling, it’s got to be part of some conspiracy.
     
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  22. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    England no doubt happy too. Theyll be happy their opponent plays 120 as well
     
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  23. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly who knows how these teams power scale.

    Argentina could look like shit the entire KO but play a team like England and could still beat them 3-0 if England plays a style that could leave them exposed to Messi on the break.

    Conversely there is a world where the English depth overwhelms the tired Argentines and run them off the pitch.

    My point is boring, but... who knows.
     
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  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m leaning towards England depth overwhelming Argentina and then losing to France.
     
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  25. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thats what I see too
     
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