2026 WC USA (et al): Worldwide Opponents Watch [all R's]

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  1. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    That's a perennial problem for England in midfield: how to meld a talented group of players into an efficient unit.
     
  2. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Kane legitimately had an awesome season for Bayern in a role very different from what England was asking him to do. And despite having a not very good tournament he still tied for the golden boot. He was definitely not at full strength but England wasn’t really set up in a way to take advantage of what he does best.

    I would have sat Foden and used him as a backup to spell Bellingham or Saka as needed. Foden did not have a goal or assist in seven games so it’s not like shoehorning him into the lineup was doing anything. And that still doesn’t leave a spot for Cole Palmer, but that’s why it’s a great thing to have that level of depth and you can keep Saka fresh (and he has played so many games over the last two years).

    I think they also should have given some run to Trent Alexander Arnold over Kyle Walker (who despite being the better defensive player was at fault for a number of the goals given cup by England this tournament).

    I also would have brought a second left back instead of Shaw so they could have had some width earlier in the tournament when he wasn’t able to play.

    I would also have brought Marcus Rashford who I think is the best left sided attacker England has. He didn’t have a great season but I think that’s more the mess that Man U is. But even without Rashford they could have at least played an actual left sided attacker on the left side.
     
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  3. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    This is why Southgate was saying they missed Kalvin Phillips. Not because he’s a world beater or anything but because he makes the midfield balance work.

    But this is why as the England coach you just have to be willing to sit guys with big reputations so the team has the requisite balance versus trying to shoehorn guys in a lineup in a way that doesn’t work.
     
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  4. Maximum Optimal

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    Jul 10, 2001
    I think Kalvin Phillips is not nearly good enough to be a starting player on a top international team. What you gain from his providing "balance" you more than lose from the drop in quality. That sort of tradeoff is something to be weighed but I don't think it is a close call for England. Southgate seems to disagree.
     
  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the thing is he’s an actual 6 which allows you to play Rice and Bellingham in their best portions.

    It’s the same thing at left back. Trippier is a better player but you’re better off with an actual left back there who might not be as good overall a player.

    I think you want to put your best players in their best spots and then you fill in around them with guys who actually play the remaining positions in question.
     
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  6. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    And Spain did it without Pedri and Gavi and with Rodri coming off at halftime.

    I thought they were unlucky at the World Cup, but the emergence of Nico Williams and Yamal added a whole new level of dynamism.
     
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  7. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Their midfield didn't miss a beat as they replaced injured players. A sign of very good coaching and great depth. Zubimendi did a great job as Rodri's replacement in the second half.
     
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  8. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    #2558 nobody, Jul 15, 2024
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    Interesting article about the tactical trends at the Euros. More reliance on goalkeepers that actually stop shots, teams benefitting from more traditional #9s, less emphasis on pressing and more on countering, etc... I don't think any teams should get too caught up in the tactical trends of the moment, but interesting to see how things are evolving and you don't want to get caught trying to win in the ways the rest of the world has figured out either.

    Euro 2024 tactical trends: Counter-attacks, youth, fast starts and comebacks - The Athletic (nytimes.com)
     
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  9. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Overthinking it with England. Literally replace Mainoo with Palmer and you’re set. Then hope Kane is match fit, which he obviously wasn’t

    that said, peak England on their best day still loses to Spain 5/6 times imo. That’s just how it goes. Talent is talent, and those Spanish outside backs are criminally underrated. But probably no longer
     
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  10. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These are always super interesting articles post tournament. They did a good one post World Cup as well.
     
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  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Kane did fine this tournament, except for the final. The fan abuse of him is inexcusable, though. He wrote a message to the fans though:

    https://www.facebook.com/fabrizioro...ldnt-achieve-what-we-worked/1099173392010151/

    “Heartbroken we couldn’t achieve what we worked so hard to. It was a long tough tournament and I’m so proud of the boys and staff for getting to the final. Ultimately we fell short of our target and will have to live with that but as we always do we will pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and be ready to fight again in an England shirt. Thank you to all the fans that believed in us and supported us to the very end!”.

    English fans continue doing what English fans always do, though.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/violence-breaks-among-england-fans-115917389.html

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...d-fan-accused-assault-13-year-old-girl-euros/
     
  12. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously the abuse is definitely inexcusable but I don’t Kane had a tournament up to his standards. He has the best season of any 9 in the world this year and his performance in the Euros was not that. Now that’s mostly due to coming into the tournament off injury and England not being set up to maximize his skill set. And he still tied for the golden boot despite all that. But this was not the Harry Kane we saw for Bayern this year or Tottenham the year before.
     
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  13. OWN(yewu)ED

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    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can anyone hate Harry Kane, so rediculous. Similar level of stupid as laying into England’s black penalty kick takers (though I suspect the later was heavily Russian troll influenced). Just all around stupid.
     
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  14. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A big reason I think Southgate will step away is because he doesn’t want to deal with everything that comes with being the England coach anymore.
     
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  15. OWN(yewu)ED

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    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    with the coaching carousel this summer he would have great options both club and international.
     
  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well he’d have to wait for club jobs to open but he’ll definitely have international interest and Crocker would probably try and hire him (which I disagree with).
     
  17. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    People do indeed often plan to win the last war instead of the next war. Soccer tactics don't stand still.
     
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  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    #2568 gomichigan24, Jul 16, 2024
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    Now it’s England fans who wants to hire Klopp



    I expect he’d also say no, but I think I’d go for Pochettino if I were them with Potter as my backup option. Howe would be a good pick too but I don’t expect he’d leave Newcastle for it.

     
  19. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Today I've read on social media that Pochettino, Southgate, Potter, de la Fuente, all of the above except for Klopp are part of the great Crocker-led US Manager Search. Of course, the usual social media disclaimers apply...
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes though Ben Jacobs is one of the most credible and well sourced reporters out there. So I give something he says more credence compared to others.

    On de La Fuente the original source for that is Steven Goff and there’s very few people better connected within US Soccer circles. That’s pretty reliable.

    In terms of the USMNT, the Potter, Pochettino, and Southgate chatter doesn’t come from particularly reliable sources. Though I do expect is to chat with Southgate at some point given the relationship between him and Crocker.
     
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  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Top 10 per confederation using Elo ratings. OFC only has New Zealand high enough, including the rest makes the graphic much harder to read.

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    PS: Just noticed Panama got covered by Algeria, but it's there, the #4 in C-CAF right by USA.
     
  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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  24. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Not sure where best to discuss, but CONMEBOL brought the hammer down on the Uruguayan players who went into the stands post-game to protect their family members from opposing Colombian fans. Tough call, definitely a security failure (among many others) at Copa.

    Darwin Núñez - suspended five matches, fined $20,000
    Rodrigo Bentancur - four matches, $16,000
    Mathías Olivera, Ronald Araujo y José María Giménez - three matches, $12,000

    Sebastián Cáceres, Matías Viña, Emiliano Martínez, Brian Rodríguez, Santiago Mele y Facundo Pellistri - fines only, $5,000 each

    Assuming the suspensions stand, Bielsa will be scrambling as CONMEBOL qualifying resumes.

    https://www.ole.com.ar/usa/copa-ame...dos-incidentes-copa-america_0_uCG7UiWelS.html

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