90 in 15 2 Huntsville players got 2CTs, one isn't in the highlights but the other three are clear yellow cards. Wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're "roasting" him about. Ref punishes players for their behavior then gets told he ruined the game
I didn't think the second yellow on 10 was enough to be a yellow on its own but the ref started counting after the card indicating that it was for PO, at which point, *shrug*, what can you really do? The second caution on #8 was so clear that the player was walking off the field without saying anything before the card was even out of the pocket. I imagine that Huntsville fans are upset that the count was 7-1 for yellow cards. @soccerref69420 does the card count make you feel better about your matches? 8 yellows and 2 2CT.
I don’t see the ref doing the PO point, I see him waving a trainer on. If it was given just for the foul itself, it looked like there was some forearm use up high which is what I figured it was for As for card count, not really because this is a semipro game. Although a few weeks back the center in my U19 “club vs USL MLS NEXT” game had something like 7 yellows. But yeah this season I had an 8 yellow U19 mls game and a 7 yellow one red one 2CT I17 ECNL. I think this game actually has a full version on YouTube, I may watch the cards
HNT #10 https://www.youtube.com/live/IzqNACOQIVg?si=ZzxlBwS6TAYbhcVY&t=1992 HNT #10 https://www.youtube.com/live/IzqNACOQIVg?si=wEyVUd8ZNWIM0rnK&t=2608 ATL #38 https://www.youtube.com/live/IzqNACOQIVg?si=wyF8NUCTTgSd1zMe&t=4968 HNT #24 https://www.youtube.com/live/IzqNACOQIVg?si=Hw-m7QFw01EPlutG&t=5072 ATL #70 https://www.youtube.com/live/IzqNACOQIVg?si=TPKGI42FP0Pcr4eO&t=5586 (Note the fouled player is the one that gets the second 2CT) HNT #89 https://www.youtube.com/live/IzqNACOQIVg?si=yTYUZtZJG2DSOi3p&t=5856 (Dissent to AR2 after ATL goes ahead 3-2) HNT #8 https://www.youtube.com/live/IzqNACOQIVg?si=BxRKvflRSnL-Bzmu&t=5878 No Foul https://www.youtube.com/live/IzqNACOQIVg?si=ho67p_5r8ZPQI_C3&t=6016 (This is emblematic of how HNT #8 was challenged potentially leading to his frustration tackles) HNT #8 https://www.youtube.com/live/IzqNACOQIVg?si=s0C7bNWyY-M1FFbd&t=6024 (DR or DT 8 seconds after previous clip) HNT #8 https://www.youtube.com/live/IzqNACOQIVg?si=tLrxV6uiZgc1wz96&t=6068 (15 seconds after the restart after the previous incident)
None of the cards seem to be an issue, but I can’t speak for how he was being treated all game long. The “no foul” one, with the charge like the announcer says, he probably came in with the elbow/forearm up high instead of keeping it fair shoulder. The one about him being “frustrated”… yep that’s why IFAB specifically says to manage holding offenses because it pisses players off. But the two cards he received seem to be valid, assuming with the first one he did put the forearm into the guy while jumping at him. Then again, I’m the guy who gives tons of cards so can you really trust my opinion defending all of them?
Soccerway has the whistles ORL vs ATL: Lorenzo Hernandez STL vs HOU: Sergii Demianchuk CLB vs NYC: Marcos DeOliveira COL vs SJ: Fotis Bazakos
30' red card in DET v MIA. #22 of MIA is on ground and holds onto the shin of the #8 DET. #8 lashes out by kicking the hand. Red card, absolutely. What about #22? '
I'll give you one guess. Though, to be fair, it happened so quick so I understand missing it but this is exactly why the adage "Referees will aways discipline the retaliatory conduct."
I don't know if anyone watched the Open Cup Rapids - Quakes game but nobody seems to be real sure what VAR found to overrule the Rapids first goal for offside. The free kick that started it was played by a Quakes defender and then the two Rapids who played it after that were both clearly onside.
https://youtu.be/IfW15oyv1mo 0:43 man this is terrible. First off he doesn’t even kick or stomp on the guy, I mean ok you give a red card from what you thought you saw. But you have to know that his leg was being held that caused that.
I cannot tell from the clip where this occurred on the field to gauge where the AR would be in relation to the play. If you sat through the US Soccer CELL webinar last night they talked on, in pretty good detail, AR's really watching behind centers and helping with calls. That situation seems like a prime instance where, depending upon location on field and their view of it, the AR could offer some information where they, at minimum, get the whole of the incident evaluated.
Just examining the retaliation, this is one of those where referees are in rough shape no matter what, I think. You're right there's no stomp. But there is a kick. In fact, he kicks his fingers with force; I'd say hard enough to at least threaten broken fingers. You can see them snap back. Now, all sorts of things come into play for fans and observers. There's the "boo-hoo, it's just his fingers." There's the fact that the fingers shouldn't even be there and, to the point about focusing on retaliation, "he deserves it for what he did." There's also the angle that you are implying or suggesting, where maybe the referee thought he got kicked hard elsewhere and not "just" in the fingers so that she is not calling what she actually thought she saw (though, without a full replay of the incident and the call, there's no real way to know that). Ultimately, based on that video, I think this 100% needs to be a red card. But I also see that and realize many observers will say it's soft or wrong. I know this isn't a VAR thread and, honestly, kudos to the team for getting this without VAR. But I do wonder what happens with VAR on a play like this, particularly if it's not called on the field. It's a pretty good example, I bet, of people seeing want they want to see.
Looking back now at a reasonable time, I see that he actually kicked his hand after he released him, not flinging his foot out while he was still being grabbed to break free, so this is definitely a red card. I don’t think it’s soft or wrong. However, the lack of a yellow card is very disconcerting. To give this a red card live, I would assume that someone saw some part of the grabbing and not just the kick out itself. Even if they somehow didn’t, It’s not really normal for a player to be lying on the ground next to an opponent with his arm extended towards his legs “doing nothing” just lying there and the player just kicks him. Use some circumstantial evidence here (which I know I will be told “you can’t do that you can only call what you see”). But I really hope that they didn’t actually see the grabbing and just said “yeah that’s not worth giving a card for, just the retaliation red that never would have happened if he wasn’t being grabbed”
While I agree there are times that you can infer cause for things, I don't think a kick by one player gives you enough information to guess at and give a caution to the other player. While there is a decent chance of enough instigation that would warrant a caution, not all petulant kicks are inspired by cautionable conduct. If no one on the ref team saw it, then there just isn't enough to warrant a card. VAR gets interesting. If the R had given a caution instead of send off, on review the R would have been able to caution the instigator based on the review as well as sending off the kicker. And if the R gave the red and the VAR recommended review to downgrade, the R would also be able to caution the instigator and either downgrade or keep the red to the kicker. As I've been vocal about on here, I'm not a proponent of expanding VAR and would be happy to see it go away. But if we are keeping it (and of course we are), I could stomach an expansion so that when a send off on the field is made for SFP or VC, the VAR can review to see if there was caution-worthy instigation immediately preceding the SFP or VC. Given the infrequency of those send offs, it would be minimal, and there could be value in cautioning those who created the retaliation that was caught.
Player was involved in a challenge that sent him to the ground with no foul call. He’s now lying on the ground next to a player, with his arms extended towards his legs/feet, and you see the opponent kick out at him. Feels like all signs point to a leg grab as that is pretty much the only time when you’ll see such an action… especially when they somehow saw the kick out but not the blatant grab that happened a second before I’m sure I’m wrong, maybe it’s just hindsight getting to see the camera angle showing the clear pull, and also my general frustration with retaliation things like this where the instigator doesn’t get punished
Did he play it or was it deflected? And was he challenged before the ball got there. That would be what the crew looked at
Glad you attended last night and hope you found value in it! Yes, main emphasis here was if there is no imminent offside decision, either AR should have eyes up and around the field of play (in the yellow and red zones).
I can't find video (it's omitted from the "full highlights") but we had an actual 8-second call in the Portland-Utah game yesterday, and from the ensuring corner, Portland earned a PK and scored the equalizer. I saw it mentioned at halftime of the Gotham-Houston game now in progress, and the commentators said the keeper (Mandy McGlynn) was "warned." What did that entail?
I also haven't seen the video but I think it's just a standard case of commentators getting their language confused. The referee publicly counts down from 5 to 1 before awarding the corner kick. That's probably the "warning" they're referring to.
I was hoping to find video that confirmed that the ref was indeed counting down, but several fans have noted that he was doing so all game.
Probably for the same reasons as others, I watch MLS & NWSL "Inside Video Review" not only to see why certain decisions are made, but to hopefully learn from it and become a better official myself. While watching this video, I don't recall any other referee behaving with this tone and with comments such as "Don't talk to me right now please!", talking over the VAR, messing up the number of the player who handled the ball, etc. Listen, I get that she's a FIFA ref, good at what she does, etc. But is this tone really necessary in this clip?