2026-27 England Referee Thread [EPL/EFL/Cups+][Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by RedStar91, Jun 29, 2026.

  1. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd


    What is the old saying from The Wire?

    "What are the options if you have an inferior product product in an aggressive market place? You change the name."

     
  2. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013

    Sorry you never got the UCL Final Tails, helluva career though.
     
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  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wonder if Webb knew this was coming or not.
     
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  4. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Very impressive career. Although, I don't know where they got the idea that Taylor did the 2024 Champions League Final between Dortmund and Real Madrid. That was Vincic. Maybe they have a Vincic retirement article already drafted and it was an error.
     
  5. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    He had a semifinal match, no?
     
  6. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Who becomes the yin to Oliver’s yang now?
     
  7. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Barrott.
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Long-term, one would hope or think. Short-term, I think the answer is going to be Kavanagh.
     
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  9. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to Graham Scott in the Athletic article about Taylor’s retirement, Taylor had said for the better part of two years he would retire after the World Cup. I don’t think this was a surprise in any way.
     
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  10. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    He did!
     
  11. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    It is very funny to me, but Kavanagh has a realistic chance of going to Euro 2028 if he referees well for the next eighteen months in UEFA competitions! I'm envisaging him fighting with Walsh for a second British spot, after Oliver (the Scot should win out that contest though).
     
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  12. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  13. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why are we intent on making managers even bigger main characters? And why are we fighting these minor annoyances instead of focusing on cynical behavior during dynamic play and punishing it appropriately? I’ll never get it. We could use officiating to make the sport better but authorities are too afraid of referees being the center of attention. So instead they invent all these technical solutions to minor problems that… put the referee at the center of attention.
     
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  16. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    What's the Aussie version? I haven't seen it.
     
  17. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    What is the Australian version?

    I don’t see the problem with this. Goalkeepers going down “injured” to get a tactical timeout is a behavior that definitely breaks up the flow of a match and seems to have become more common in recent years. Sure there are other things they could focus on too, for example emphasizing referees to punish delays of restarts, but this is good too!
     
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  18. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    The captain is required to leave. England makes the difference of allowing the team to nominate a player. If not done within 10s, the captain leaves.
     
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  19. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I kind of like that version better. Takes away unnecessary decision for the situation and yet another ten second timer for the referee to worry about.
     
  20. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    There’s always the Barton option.
     
  21. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Would make more sense to have the nomination made before the game than to dealing with it in the heat of the moment.

    I'm not offended by trying to solve this, but I do agree it is not the biggest problem the Game has to deal with.
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #22 MassachusettsRef, Jul 27, 2026
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2026
    Or we could, you know, not have this additional timer at all.

    I mean that's part of my point here. It's all this ticky-tack stuff to make soccer officating more about being a mindless bureaucrat than an imaginative manager.

    But my bigger point would be about looking two or three moves ahead. We're solving against unnecessary physio visits that procure a "tactical timeout," right? Okay. Apparently a lot of people, including the media, have decided this is a huge problem. I've got to say, I've personally been a bit blindsided by this. I know it happens, but it's some plague that needs this remedy? I would say no. But even if I'm outvoted there and this isn't people looking for solutions to a barely existent problem...

    What happens once this rule is in play and "solves" the issue? If keepers understand the consequences, then like all these other rules they just won't do it. They won't fake or exaggerate or milk injuries to get the trainer because it's no longer worth it. Which means the trainer will only come on when... the goalkeeper is actually injured. And while I'm sure there will be a head injury exception, I can guarantee there's not a "except when the referee determines the physio is fully warranted" exception. So now you've legislated to a regime where teams need to play down when a keeper rightfully and appropriately seeks medical treatment. Great job, everyone. We've solved that scourge and correctly punished justifiable medical treatment!

    As to your point about liking the other version better. I'm sorry, but this comes across as lazy referee talk. How is that good for the game? If the captain is a defender but the team in question is up at the time and would rather have an attacker off (or vice versa) why should they have to be punished tactically, beyond the temporary disadvantage, just because we don't want to ask a question. Also, I wonder how long it will take in Australia for the captain's armband not to go to a senior player or the best player on the team. Oh, and what about when the goalkeeper is the captain? Sure, the team nominates a different player. But then who is keeping track of the new nomination when that player gets subbed. It's all just a bureaucrat's dream. It's all so unnecessarily complicated. And it's all to solve against and prevent "tactical timeouts" when FIFA literally just mandated two of them per World Cup match.

    Yeah, get off my lawn.
     
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  23. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I mean, yes. I wouldn’t use the word “punishing” as there’s no offense being committed, but it is definitely disincentivizing unnecessary treatment stoppages.

    Delays are bad for the sport. They’re bad for the stakeholders like fans, broadcasters, etc. and they’re bad for the opposing team if they have momentum and want to play. They’re bad for the players that don’t want to be standing around waiting. At the grassroots levels, they’re bad for field schedules that might be working on a time crunch.

    Delays are bad and should be disincentived. So yes, I’m ok with the delay coming at a small tactical cost to the team responsible. If the injury legitimately warrants this delay, then the cost is clearly worthwhile for them to pay. If the injury is something very minor that he can play through, let’s incentivize him to do that rather than needlessly delaying the game.

    The same disincentive already applies to players who need treatment, so why not extend it to goalkeepers too? The only difference is that a teammate has to pay the price because you can’t play without a goalkeeper.
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But it is a punishment! Now we're going to play semantic games on this and pretend that playing 10 v 11 isn't a punishment but a "disencentivization?" Orwell would be proud.

    Except hydration breaks.

    And VAR checks.

    And OFRs.

    And prolonged dissent at penalty kicks, which used to be dispatched in 45-60 seconds.

    And making every attacking free kick within 40 yards ceremonial.

    The list goes on.

    We hear this stuff all the time yet the sport continued to grow into the behemoth that it is for decades. And now most of the delays are a creation of IFAB/FIFA action or referee inaction.

    But we're all going to draw the line on late-match goalkeeper injuries that might be exaggerated and show everyone we mean business about timewasting!

    Do people hear themselves when they argue this stuff? The cognitive dissonance is astounding to me. Or the credulity to accept the arguments and prioritization. I don't get it.

    This pandemic of fake goalkeeper injuries leading to tactical timeouts. Can anyone cite an example outside the City-Leeds one the BBC article?

    I swear the whole world had turned into lemmings. We've been failing to adequately address dissent and SPA and potential 2CTs and SFP and simulation for decades now, plus we've turned the clock back on VC. But, man, we're going to nail this goalkeeper injury issue that is destroying the game!

    I'm sorry, we're still pretending these law and rule changes are going to apply to the grassroots?

    And if the do or we try to make them... there's absolutely no chance this isn't a nightmare to try to enforce. Imagine trying to execute this with a U14 rec team or an ornery local amateur side? Again, we're making our lives more difficult for no real ROI. I've got no problem with brilliant solutions fixing big problems. I've got a huge problem with disruptive and major (or unnecessarily technical) changes fixing minor and specious problems.

    Just because you're "okay" with something shouldn't inherently make it a good idea. Each one of these tweaks and changes makes the game and officiating more clinical. It chips away at the inherent passion. Part of this is protecting a referee's prerogative to manage a game, in my eyes, but it's precisely because good management of a match makes for a better product. The more we get to "if A, then B" with no latitutde for adjustment or common sense, the worse off we're all going to be. You'd think people had learned that lesson by now, but... well, no, maybe I personally just would hope people would have learned that lesson by now.

    As I was typing my previous post here, this thought did strike me. And tt's a somewhat valid point. But I never even got to make the slippery slope argument on this one.

    If people are of the belief that the recent change is working and they want to see more of it, then dying on the hill that goalkeepers shouldn't be included is probably not a brilliant idea for me. And I think it's going to cause issues and is not fueled by the crisis that is alleged. More so, it's just disappointing that these are the things that the guardians of the game choose to focus on and "fix." The on-field product during dynamic play could be so much better. Speed, skills and attacking tactics are at their apex. If I had an IFAB or FIFA RefCom seat, I'd see it as my job to be laser focused on exploiting that--protecting the best players and promoting attacking soccer. Instead, over and over again we get this stuff.
     
  25. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    #25 StarTime, Jul 28, 2026
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2026

    I do agree with a lot of the arguments you're making, so for the sake of brevity, I'll skip that stuff and get to where I disagree:

    Your claim that it is a "punishment": Is it a punishment when the store clerk takes $1 from you when you want a bag of chips? It's just a cost. You really want treatment? Fine, but you have to pay for it by playing one minute down a man, whether it's a goalkeeper or a field player.

    While I agree that there are lots of other live-play things they should be focusing on first, that doesn't make this a bad change.

    I do think these goalkeeper "injuries" are too common and are genuinely a significantly bad thing for the spirit of the game. I do not care enough to go looking through match replays for specific examples, but we saw it plenty of times during the World Cup. There was one goalkeeper who was genuinely injured (Courtois) and a bunch of others who were """injured""". There was that directive for referees to not let teams use these stoppages as a timeout, and we saw referees attempt to discourage it, but there was literally no enforcement mechanism at all. It's impossible to actually "manage" the game in a way that stops these """injuries""" if there's no actual enforcement mechanism.

    Just as you deride the "if A, then B" rules that tire referees hands, their hands are tied in the opposite direction if there is no enforcement mechanism at all. A referee sees this happening and doesn't like it, then what? Unless you're at the World Cup and your name rhymes with “Even Carton”, you can't deny a player's request for treatment. There's no room for common sense because the Laws, as they stand, don't give the referees any tools to "punish" these delays anyways.
     

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