2025 MLS Match Day 15 Referee Discusison

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  1. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    05/24/2025

    Seattle Sounders vs FC Dallas
    Lumen Field (3PM ET)
    Ref: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Mike Nickerson
    AR2: Nick Balcer
    4th: Alexis Da Silva
    VAR: Chris Penso
    AVAR: Tom Supple

    San Diego vs LA Galaxy
    Snapdragon Stadium (4:45PM ET)
    Ref: Jon Freemon
    AR1: Kyle Atkins - 200th AR
    AR2: Corey Parker
    4th: Elijio Arreguin
    VAR: Sorin Stoica
    AVAR: Jonathan Johnson

    Charlotte vs Columbus Crew
    Bank of America Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    Ref: Lukasz Szpala
    AR1: Cory Richardson
    AR2: Nick Uranga
    4th: Corbyn May
    VAR: Ramy Touchan
    AVAR: Claudiu Badea

    D.C. United vs New York Red Bulls
    Audi Field (7:30PM ET)
    Ref: Malik Badawi
    AR1: Matthew Nelson
    AR2: Meghan Mullen
    4th: Lorenzo Hernandez
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: Jonathan Johnson

    CF Montréal vs Los Angeles FC
    Stade Saputo (7:30PM ET)
    Ref: Rubiel Vazquez
    AR1: Jeffrey Greeson
    AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
    4th: Renzo Villanueva
    VAR: Sorin Stoica
    AVAR: Corey Rockwell

    Orlando City vs Portland Timbers
    Inter&Co Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    Ref: Jair Marrufo
    AR1: Eric Weisbrod
    AR2: Kevin Klinger
    4th: Ricardo Montero Araya
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    Philadelphia Union vs Inter Miami
    Subaru Park (7:30PM ET)
    Ref: Drew Fischer
    AR1: Micheal Barwegen
    AR2: Lyes Arfa
    4th: Luis Diego Arroyo
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert

    Toronto vs Nashville
    BMO Field (7:30PM ET)
    Ref: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Gerard-Kader Lebuis
    AR2: Ben Pilgrim
    4th: Scott Bowman
    VAR: Younes Marrakchi
    AVAR: Jozef Batko

    Sporting Kansas City vs New England Revolution
    Children’s Mercy Park (8:30PM ET)
    Ref: Sergii Boiko
    AR1: Walt Heatherly
    AR2: Kevin Lock
    4th: Brandon Stevis
    VAR: Katja Koroleva
    AVAR: Brian Dunn

    Minnesota United vs Austin FC
    Allianz Field (8:30PM ET)
    Ref: Joe Dickerson
    AR1: Cameron Blanchard
    AR2: Logan Brown
    4th: Ismir Pekmic
    VAR: Chris Penso
    AVAR: Tom Supple

    Colorado Rapids vs St Louis CITY
    Dick’s Sporting Goods Park (9:30PM ET)
    Ref: Tori Penso
    AR1: Brooke Mayo
    AR2: Kathryn Nesbitt
    4th: Marcos DeOliveira
    VAR: Daniel Radford
    AVAR: Robert Schaap

    Real Salt Lake vs Vancouver Whitecaps
    America First Field (9:30PM ET)
    Ref: Filip Dujic
    AR1: Felisha Mariscal
    AR2: Diego Blas
    4th: JC Griggs
    VAR: Ismail Elfath
    AVAR: Andrew Bigelow

    San Jose vs Houston Dynamo
    PayPal Park (10:30PM ET)
    Ref: Sergii Demianchuk
    AR1: Chris Elliott
    AR2: Stefan Tanaka-Freundt
    4th: Ricardo Fierro
    VAR: Younes Marrakchi
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert

    05/25/2025

    New York City vs Chicago Fire
    Yankee Stadium (3PM ET)
    Ref: Rosendo Mendoza
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Gianni Facchini
    4th: Thomas Snyder
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    Atlanta United vs FC Cincinnati
    Mercedes-Benz Stadium (7PM ET)
    Ref: Guido Gonzales Jr
    AR1: Jason White
    AR2: Tyler Wyrostek
    4th: Pierre-Luc Lauziere
    VAR: Greg Dopka
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar
     
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  2. sydneyoperahouse

    sydneyoperahouse New Member

    May 19, 2025
    Since premier league (and mens volleyball) are basically over for the year, will start watching MLS. Going to watch COL v. STL and write some notes on Tori Penso this week :)
     
  3. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    Are we still watching the Kyle Atkins-Corey Parker pairing these days? Especially with Elfath in the VAR booth this weekend?
     
  4. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm just annoyed they didn't line them up a little better. This one is #298 for Parker. We could have had some wonderful round numbers.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’d be paying more attention to an emerging trio for Dickerson, perhaps. All three of those, I believe, are going to Gold Cup.

    The Parker-Atkins matchup is both obvious and strange. Unless Elfath is coming back, I don’t understand where it lands or what it results in. I don’t see any scenario where the two of them go with Dickerson.
     
  6. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    How do you not card Suarez for the world's easiest dissent at 91'?
     
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  7. sydneyoperahouse

    sydneyoperahouse New Member

    May 19, 2025
    Thought T. Penso had a good game (Colorado v. St. Louis). Pretty easy one in general, but she was on the spot for most of it. Calls were a bit messy at times with AR1 (Mayo) not giving her a ton of help on multiple occasions. One thing I noticed was T. Penso likes to hang a little bit further forward in build-up, almost in front of the center backs. This is fine, but does put her pretty far behind play on transition.
     
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  8. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Rosendo gets called down to reverse penalty + 2CT and he sticks with his call in the 89' - NYC v CHI
     
  9. Law6

    Law6 Member

    Nov 17, 2023
    #9 Law6, May 25, 2025
    Last edited: May 25, 2025
  10. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know about that one.
     
  11. sydneyoperahouse

    sydneyoperahouse New Member

    May 19, 2025
    Yeah i don't think that's a foul
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I came to this thread for the CHI-NYCFC penalty.

    I agree that it shouldn’t have been a foul. In the box, refs grant a lot more leeway to overly hard follow through. In the midfield, that’s probably a foul for too much force. In the box, usually that’s not given.

    While I think soccer would be a better sport with less “situational refereeing,” I think it would be worse with none at all. This play is a good example of how to draw that line.
     
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  13. Law6

    Law6 Member

    Nov 17, 2023
    I wish the VAR protocol was changed so that the center could go to the monitor earlier in the process on close decisions; before the VAR has settled on clear and obvious. It might lead to more wasted time on rejected reviews, but it would be minimal because the VAR is still having his think anyway. More than made up by the time not spent getting the center up to speed once he gets there.
     
  14. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely no idea how this isn’t a PK in ATL-FCC (51’)

    This is merely the latest in what seems to be a (politely put) disaster for Guido
     
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  15. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Never in a million years.
     
  16. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's been an interesting game, regardless.

    Early incident that knocked Hagglund out of the game that I think is likely missed VC
    2nd ATL goal goes between the legs of a player in an offside position, but was there impact?
    CIN attacker knees a defender in the head, and everyone seems to think he got fouled by Guzan somehow.
     
  17. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah well as long as you’ve considered it thoroughly
     
  18. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was referring to the likely missed VC above and the absence of a review when the ball goes through the legs of a player in OSP in front of the GK but nothing given

    also the incident with guzan - no touch on the ball and he simply clears out the Cincinnati attacker
     
  19. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I have. I'd prefer a foul coming out.
     
  20. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think what really got me in this game is how he handled the aftermath of Haglund’s injury

    regardless of the circumstances of what happened, a player is down and is seriously hurt. He was subbed out immediately and appeared to be having trouble catching his breath (preliminary reports say broken rib) He’s not a player who flops or is mouthy.
    He’s coming off with two trainers (+/- a doctor- I can’t tell) and heading directly for the tunnel to go to the locker room/medical room.

    guido twice tells him to get off the field at the nearest point making his walk around the field much longer. He’s clearly in pain and the trainers are trying to get him off ASAP and guido is insisting he go off right there.

    I can read lips enough to get an “AYFKM?” From someone there and then it cuts away

    to me that shows a lack of situational understanding and lack of respect. And if PRO has given them so little room for discretion so that such events have to be managed exactly the same way then I would suggest we are on the path to what PGMO has done to English refereeing
     
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  21. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I could see this - I’d have it the other way like I said but I don’t think that’s unreasonable

    I think no call isn’t a great decision here
     
  22. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Confirmed he was hospitalized with a broken rib
     
  24. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you're seeing a "tweet id not found" or whatever message, that just seems to happen sometimes. Seems to have become a thing over the last few years for some reason. It still shows up for me on mobile, both times.
     
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