2025 MLS Decision Day Referee Discussion

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  1. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    10/18/2025

    Atlanta United vs D.C. United
    Mercedes-Benz Stadium (6PM ET)
    Ref: Joshua Encarnacion - 1st whistle
    AR1: Nick Uranga
    AR2: Adam Garner
    4th: Ismail Elfath
    VAR: Drew Fischer
    AVAR: Jeff Muschik

    Charlotte FC vs Philadelphia Union
    Bank of America Stadium (6PM ET)
    Ref: Tori Penso
    AR1: Kathryn Nesbitt
    AR2: Jason White
    4th: Calin Radosav
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert

    FC Cincinnati vs CF Montréal
    TQL Stadium (6PM ET)
    Ref: Timothy Ford
    AR1: Andrew Bigelow
    AR2: Kevin Klinger
    4th: Sergii Demianchuk
    VAR: Younes Marrakchi - 200th VAR
    AVAR: Claudiu Badea

    Columbus Crew vs New York Red Bulls
    Lower.com Field (6PM ET)
    Ref: Marcos DeOliveira
    AR1: Cory Richardson
    AR2: Jeffrey Swartzel
    4th: Ricardo Montero Araya
    VAR: David Barrie
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki

    Nashville vs Inter Miami
    GEODIS Park (5PM ET)
    Ref: Jon Freemon
    AR1: Ian McKay
    AR2: Nick Balcer
    4th: Ricardo Fierro
    VAR: Ramy Touchan
    AVAR: Tom Supple

    New England Revolution vs Chicago Fire
    Gillette Stadium (6PM ET)
    Ref: Pierre-Luc Lauziere
    AR1: Lyes Arfa - 100th AR
    AR2: Tyler Wyrostek
    4th: Sergii Boiko
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr
    AVAR: Jonathan Johnson

    New York City FC vs Seattle Sounders
    Citi Field (6PM ET)
    Ref: Chris Penso
    AR1: Ryan Graves
    AR2: Gianni Facchini
    4th: Guido Gonzales Jr
    VAR: Geoff Gamble
    AVAR: Craig Lowry

    Toronto FC vs Orlando City
    BMO Field (6PM ET)
    Ref: Fotis Bazakos
    AR1: Micheal Barwegen
    AR2: Mike Nickerson
    4th: Lorenzo Hernandez
    VAR: Sorin Stoica
    AVAR: Robert Schaap

    Colorado Rapids vs Los Angeles FC
    Dick’s Sporting Goods Park (9PM ET)
    Ref: Rubiel Vazquez
    AR1: Jeremy Hanson
    AR2: Jose Da Silva
    4th: Alexis Da Silva
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert

    Sporting Kansas City vs Houston Dynamo
    Children’s Mercy Park (9PM ET)
    Ref: Nabil Bensalah
    AR1: Corey Parker
    AR2: Walt Heatherly
    4th: Ismir Pekmic
    VAR: Carol Anne Chenard
    AVAR: Robert Schaap

    LA Galaxy vs Minnesota United
    Dignity Health Sports Park (9PM ET)
    Ref: Rosendo Mendoza
    AR1: Chris Wattam
    AR2: Diego Blas
    4th: Matt Thompson
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: Craig Lowry

    Portland Timbers vs San Diego
    Providence Park (9PM ET)
    Ref: Victor Rivas
    AR1: Corey Rockwell
    AR2: Kevin Lock
    4th: Malik Badawi
    VAR: Michael Radchuk
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    San Jose Earthquakes vs Austin FC
    PayPal Park (9PM ET)
    Ref: Filip Dujic
    AR1: Jeremy Kieso
    AR2: Gerard-Kader Lebuis
    4th: Greg Dopka
    VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    St Louis CITY vs Real Salt Lake
    Energizer Park (9PM ET)
    Ref: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Kyle Atkins
    AR2: Eric Weisbrod
    4th: Jair Marrufo
    VAR: Daniel Radford
    AVAR: Jonathan Johnson

    Vancouver Whitecaps vs FC Dallas
    BC Place (9PM PM)
    Ref: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Chris Elliott
    AR2: Felisha Mariscal
    4th: Alain Ruch
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki
     
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  2. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    So MLS regular season over. MLS Cup referee favorite surely has to be Mendoza? Did the All-Star game. It's been a quite common occurrence that if you get the All-Star that you'll get MLS Cup Final (it's not always a guarantee)

    Any of the other plausible candidates either haven't done enough games (Dickerson or Elfath) or have probably done it too many times where they probably won't ever get it again (Villarreal and Chapman).

    I can't think of anyone else. Maybe Guido again in a break class in case of emergency situation?
     
  3. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Fischer comes to mind also.
     
  4. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    Has back-to-back MLS Cup assignments ever happened? I think Armando had it 2 out of 3 years and maybe Kevin Stott did too. But not back-to-back years.
     
  5. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I don't think he's done enough games this year to be considered.

    Also, at this point, I don't think he's ever going to get it. He's been in the league now what? Almost 15 years? What would change this year from the previous 15 for him to get it? What's the longest someone's been in the league before they got their first MLS Cup whistle.

    I think he's creeping into Penso and Bazakos territory as a long time veteran who just will never get MLS Cup.
     
  6. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    #6 RedStar91, Oct 16, 2025
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2025
    It looks like it's never happened. Kell and Chapman alternated every year from 2016 to 2019.

    Stott only whistled MLS Cup only twice (I surely thought he did a third time). But he has been on MLS Cup in some capacity a grand total of 6 times.

    Marrufo is the leader with three MLS Cups. I don't think we'll see anyone go above three whistles.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stott had three. 2001, 2005, 2009.
     
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  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Geiger only having it once but going to two World Cups might be the weirdest stat.

    Of course, that came at a time when the international obligations started to stack up, which in turn meant he did fewer matches in the league. Plus he sort of shot to the top after 2011 and then retired shortly after 2018, so there really were only maybe 5-6 seasons where he might have been in the running.

    Similar thing could happen with Elfath. I guess the way our league is structured from a timing perspective makes it very challenging to give your WC referee MLS Cup often.
     
  9. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. chaoslord08

    chaoslord08 Member

    Dec 24, 2006
    Fayetteville AR
    Club:
    West Bromwich Albion FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who's that pokemon?

    edit: it deleted my picture let me try this again
     

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  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I admittedly have not paid attention like in years past, but yeah I think Mendoza appears a top candidate.

    I think Fischer always lingers there. Maybe you're right about his overall prospects but he has been up and down within MLS and this is a WC year where he's been up and Elfath is unavailable, so maybe?

    I don't think Tori Penso is a candidate but it will be interesting to see how far she goes in the playoffs.

    Szpala probably would have been a candidate for something big if not injured.

    The interesting question for me is the trio of Vazquez, Rivas and Freemon. They are the US FIFAs who seem to have the least traction internationally at the moment. And Vazquez has been on the list for a decent time period at this point. Like I said, I haven't paid a ton of attention this year but I am interested to see where those three sort of fall in the overall pecking order right now and playoff assignments could be a good window.
     
  13. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    Curious about this part. Vasquez has been on the USA FIFA list for 5 or 6 years now and he has the "least traction internationally at the moment". There are currently 8 USA male referees on the list. Is there a set number or quota that must be filled or is it based on the recommendation from US Soccer to earn the badge? Does someone that may have a shorter future risk getting removed from the list even if they are performing well, like a low-ceiling or high-ceiling situation?

    Like, say Rosendo Mendoza was going to get nominated and get the badge for 2026. Does someone have to come off the list for him to get put on the list? Or can he be added without anyone being removed?

    Also, does Szpala being injured and, likely, not being able to take the fitness test get him removed or is there an injured list he can be moved to until he's healthy? I see Salma Perez tore her ACL on the women's AR list. Same thing for her. Does she get removed, replaced, or added to an IR?
     
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's all up to the USSF Ref Com, mostly. There is some quota from FIFA for each nation and it was either 9 or 10 for a while but then there was a period where we never filled it. So who knows at the moment. The fact that the list went "gender-neutral" but is still easily filtered by gender adds to the mystery, too.

    It's also worth noting that sometimes people who don't have clear paths to tournament football take themselves off the list, too. You have obligations once you have the badge and sometimes being a 4th a few times a year in Central America isn't worth it when, otherwise, those would be your only breaks of the years. Personal priorities evolve and change.

    I'm not sure what the exact accommodation is with FIFA but Elfath's situation clearly shows you can be renominated and have that nomination accepted by FIFA without a current fitness test. I suspect Szpala will stay on the list.
     
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  15. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

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  16. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    PRO themselves actually used to have an error even on this page. They had Steven Davidson at AR one year, but that never happened. It has since been corrected and should be wholly accurate.
     
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  17. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Trying to figure out how Zaha’s second yellow isn’t a straight red for VC.

    I never really watched much of him in the Premier League, but has he always been like this? I’m quite surprised that he’s been one of the most sore-tempered players in MLS since he joined.
     
  18. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It sure looked like VC from what I've seen, but all the feeds right now have 2CT. Was there ever a replay that actually showed the card(s) being displayed? Are we 100% sure that yellow in her hand was issued to Zaha?
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe it was?

    We can’t see it on video. She has yellow out. I’m hoping it was yellow for the hand smack and red for retaliation. That makes the most sense to me. Very surprised if she doesn’t give red and more surprised if Stott doesn’t send it down if she didn’t.

    But I’ve been surprised before.
     
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  20. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    58’ in Vancouver, clear second yellow for Abubakar missed
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or maybe it wasn’t.
     
  22. Sharper

    Sharper Member

    Charlotte FC
    United States
    Aug 23, 2022
    Yeah, 2CT. First one was pretty dumb, getting picked for the joint mass confrontation YC. Second one was obviously even dumber. If you watch Instant Replay of it at 2:21, it's an open palm brush past the base of the neck. The reaction is interesting, in that his opponent drops well after the contact is over. If Zaha hits him square on the neck, or it's a closed fist, obviously straight RC, but the brush pass is probably questionable enough VAR would be going with whatever was given on the field.
     
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  23. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    PRO referees get thrown under the bus...

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  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are three playoff threads. How does a regular season thread get bumped for this?
     
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