2025 CWC

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  1. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
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    Teams from the same confederation cannot be drawn together (except UEFA). Teams from the same country cannot be drawn together.
     
  2. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    An explanation I saw on Twitter (and it makes sense) as to why Pot 1 doesn't have all UEFA teams is that FIFA went with the top 4 (by ranking) and the top 4 CONMEBOL (by ranking) and placed them on Pot 1. Pot 2 is the remaining 8 UEFA. Pot 3 is top 2 AFC, CAF and CONCACAF plus remaining 2 CONMEBOL Pot 4 is the remaining 8.
     
  3. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  4. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Salzburg were to by some miracle reach the final and finish second in the Austrian BL they would play the final on July 13th and a Champions League qualifier on July 22nd or 23rd.

    No off season for you!
     
  6. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #181 Nico Limmat, Dec 5, 2024
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  7. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    Out of the CONCACAF teams the one that has it the worst is Seattle. They have 2 European giants in their group. Pachuca does have 2 Europeans too but they have the "weakest" one of them all. Everyone else in CONCACAF doesn't have it that bad.
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [QUOTE="Nico Limmat, post: 42679102, member:

    Miami - Al Ahly the opening match.[/QUOTE]

    That's not an easy draw.
     
  9. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Pachuca has Asian giants Al Hilal. Not an easy task.

    Didn't say that. But it could have been worse.

    Up next is the CCC draw on December 10th.
     
  10. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I missed why Seattle had to be drawn into Group B...what was the reason there?
     
  11. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    They were basically treated like a host team as well and will play all games at Lumen.
     
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  12. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Anyone outside a European giant isn't a big deal. Not saying it's a guaranteed win but your chances improve.

    It's not going to happen but if you take out the European giants this tournament becomes more "balanced" and less predictable.
     
  13. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Those who want to watch Al Ahly and Botafogo, can do so soon - as the FIFA Intercontinental Cup, the rebranded old format of the Club World Cup, is about to enter its critical stage. Up next is the "Copa Interamericana" on the 11th.

    2024 FIFA Intercontinental Cup

    M1 | 22.09.24 | Al Ain - Auckland City 6:2 (Playoff) - Highlights
    M2 | 29.10.24 | Al Ahly - Al Ain 3:0 (African-Asian-Pacific Cup) - Highlights
    M3 | 11.12.24 | Botafogo FR - CF Pachuca (Derby of the Americas)
    M4 | 14.12.24 | Winner M3 - Al Ahly (Challenger Cup)
    M5 | 18.12.24 | Real Madrid - Winner M4 (Final)
     
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  14. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    We can theoretically watch it... but in reality its not on any TV or streaming in the US according to livesoccertv.
     
  15. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    They'd have to pull some upsets, but with all matches at home nobody would be shocked if they make it out of the group. OTOH I don't know how Seattle could get even a single win in THAT group.

    I am a little scared. We've never seen MLS teams take on such serious opponents in serious games. What if it gets ugly?
     
  16. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #191 Nico Limmat, Dec 5, 2024
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    If nowhere else, it will be on FIFA+ (for free)
     
  17. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Do you know if FIFA has game so demand, or only live?
     
  18. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    "If he dies, he dies"
     
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  19. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Not overly relevant, given the lack of recent games, but interesting nonetheless.

    Here is the all-time record of MLS' competitive intercontinental matches:

    1998 | DC United - Vasco da Gama (Brazil) 0:1 | Copa Interamericana (Final Series)
    1998 | Vasco da Gama (Brazil) - DC United 0:2* | Copa Interamericana (Final Series)
    2001 | NY Red Bulls - Deportivo Petare (Venezuela) 2:0 | Conmebol Copa Merconorte (Group Stage)
    2001 | Deportivo Petare (Venezuela) - NY Red Bulls 2:1 | Conmebol Copa Merconorte (Group Stage)
    2001 | Millonarios (Colombia) - NY Red Bulls 2:1 | Conmebol Copa Merconorte (Group Stage)
    2001 | NY Red Bulls - Millonarios (Colombia) 0:1 | Conmebol Copa Merconorte (Group Stage)
    2001 | Kansas City - Sporting Cristal (Peru) 1:2 | Conmebol Copa Merconorte (Group Stage)
    2001 | Sporting Cristal (Peru) - Kansas City 2:1 | Conmebol Copa Merconorte (Group Stage)
    2001 | Barcelona SC (Ecuador) - Kansas City 2:3 | Conmebol Copa Merconorte (Group Stage)
    2001 | Kansas City - Barcelona SC (Ecuador) 1:1 | Conmebol Copa Merconorte (Group Stage)
    2005 | DC United - Universidad Católica (Chile) 1:1 | Conmebol Copa Sudamericana (R16)
    2005 | Universidad Católica (Chile) - DC United 3:2 | Conmebol Copa Sudamericana (R16)
    2022 | Seattle Sounders - Al Ahly (Egypt) 0:1** | FIFA Club World Cup (Second Round)

    *Played in Fort Lauderdale (Florida)
    **Hosted by Morocco. Played in February 2023


    3 wins, 2 draws, and 8 losses.
     
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  20. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    It's typically live matches only. Some of them end up archived, others surface on youtube:

     
  21. aerez

    aerez Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Including the best team in North and South America, Copa Libertadores and possibly Brazilian champion Botafogo
     
  22. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #197 Nico Limmat, Dec 6, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2024
    Botafogo are not winners of the Americas just yet. :D

    They will arrive exhausted in Doha. Pachuca are in Qatar as of today and have been idle since November 9th as they didn't make the Mexican Liguilla.

    Speaking of Pachuca...

    Club World Cup: Pachuca may sell León to comply with FIFA Rules:
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/42802809/pachuca-owner-willing-sell-leon-comply-fifa-rules
    I guess fans of Club America, Philadelphia, and Alajuelense still have hope.

    What about the ownership structure of MLS? Aren't all teams owned by the same holding company?
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. I made that point above.

    The investor/shareholders own the right to operate those teams but the teams, the intellectual property, even the uniforms are owned by MLS. And the player contracts of course.
     
  24. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I'm guessing the (internal) legal agreements are strong within MLS and that is what Grupo Pachuca needs to work on. To evidence that the conflicts of interest are under control. So probably create separate holding or management companies, separate governing bodies and senior management, and segregated player contracts for each club. A law firm can do this for them. Given that these regulations were introduced very recently that should probably be enough for FIFA. At least for this edition. Punishing either Pachuca or Leon would seem harsh.

    Unless they make a play to include Club America or a third "host" team in the Philadelphia Union - given that games already will be at Lincoln Field. Anything is possible with Infantino.
     
  25. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If one was watching on this day, what a game!
    Even in the two leg Cup tie loss for DCU, this match down in Chile displayed a passed the eye test for our then 10 year old league.
     
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