2025 CWC

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  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So far, I've attended the games in DC and the Flamengo/Chelsea game in Philly. All have been good. The Flamengo/Chelsea game had the best atmosphere of any game I've ever attended thanks to the massive Flamengo contingent. Al-Hilal had great support as well and the attendance at last night's game was 16K+ ... that's pretty good given the horrendous heat.
     
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  2. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    #1302 crookeddy, Jun 23, 2025
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    CWC now sitting on 35,995 average while the gold cup is at 20,328. I expect both numbers to grow significantly in the knockout rounds.
     
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  3. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The Gold Cup average is flawed, because it counts doubleheaders as distinct matches with identical attendances (ie - they're double-counting every person who buys tickets for them).

    If you count the doubleheaders correctly, total attendance drops from the Wiki number of 406,551 to 270,084 and drops the average number of tickets distributed per match to 13,504.
     
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  4. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Flawed" is a bit strong. If I bought a ticket to a double-header, and I stayed for both matches, then I "attended" two matches, not one. How many tickets I bought is irrelevant.
     
  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    In the absence of a tracking method for how many people actually attend each individual match, the number of tickets purchased is actually the only relevant number.

    A ticket purchaser counts as 2 whether they show up 2 hours before kickoff of the first match or at minute 70 of the second match. That’s not a good way to calculate an average.
     
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  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seattle need to win by at least 4 tonight.
     
  7. AZUL GALAXY

    AZUL GALAXY Member

    Aug 28, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Also some or these games are scheduled for better TV times frame in other continents, which affect their local attendance.
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All the accountants care about is the cumulative number of tickets sold.
     
  9. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just compute the average per ticketed event.
     
  10. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That’s the best chance Seattle is going to have all day, and Ferreira, while (sort of) rushed, punts the chance on a mostly-open goal to Mt. Rainier.
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At the very least, the CWC will lead to some interesting discussions between owners, sponsors, Apple executives and players during the All Star break, as negotiations for the next CBA are on the horizon.
     
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  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great run by Hakimi to spirit himself into the box but Rusnak saw him making the run and decided to ignore him and mark space.
     
  13. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the players it has opened a very new talking point with prize money distribution. This tournament is probably looked at as a success for FIFA with the opening round games to this point. Most of the games have been interesting and you might have as many upsets as blowouts. According to Google they've already had a million in attendance already for the first 30 games.
     
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  14. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    France
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Overall not too bad a performance by Seattle at the tournament considering the opposition. Scored 2 goals and never lost by more than 2. I was expecting much worse.
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well that's a once every four year thing.

    But I think the big question is about where MLS wants to be. By 2033 I'd hope MLS teams will be able to compete with the best in the Americas and as we've seen, there's still some way to go.
     
  16. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is it? If MLS wins CCC in 27 & 28 does the 2 teams playing in the tournament get the prize money or the teams that win CCC to qualify? If I'm the MLSPA and my union members win a tournament that pays 5 million(CCC) but each team also gets another 9.55 for punching their ticket into CWC 2029, you don't think that will be a talking point? Who gets the prize money, the players on the team that qualified in 27 or the players who completed in 29?
     
  17. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    There is money to be made from International tournaments which MLS doesn't seem to never care about. Hopefully they change their minds after this CWC and in the not so distant future work something out with CONCACAF and CONMEBOL to join Libertadores/Sudamericana. That's another bag of millions left in the table.

    The prize money Inter Miami will get if they advance; $21M total if they advance to R16.

     
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  18. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  19. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    France
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    aka

    Eiffel Tower 2
    Space Needle 0

    I enjoy that both teams use the citys' famous monuments prominently in their respective crests.
     
  20. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be honest, there was never any real money to be won. The US Open Cup probably cost more to play-in than win. Until recently the CONCACAF Champions League was only worth 500K for the winner. Now you can have some synergy between these tournaments as they can actually make money for players and owners. The biggest thing to grow this region is revenue. Technically FFIFA invested 38.2 million over four years for teams that qualify for CWC. You even have incentive to keep up in the standings in case one team repeats in the four year period.
     
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  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Me too.

    The most important thing this tournament proved is that Seattle is 3 goals better than Inter Milan.
     
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  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why wouldn’t the Union push for the money to primarily go to the league as a whole, and use it to increase the cap? Spread the wealth, so to speak.

    It would address the inequity you’ve mentioned and also do what unions do…protect their median and below workers.
     
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  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Without teleportation or worm holes, the travel is prohibitive.
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think negotiating windfall competition payments will be an issue for the owners. If the players want 50% then so be it. I think it's a bigger issue for the union because they represent the interests of 860+ players not 30 or 60. But I don't think the issue will make it break CBA negotiations.

    I'm more interested in how MLS evens the playing field with the top Brazilian and Argentinian teams, the obvious answer being bigger payrolls.
     
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  25. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bigger payrolls would be nice but how you can spend going forward to me is bigger. 50% sounds about right going forward but I think letting sporting directors buildings teams the way they want with less mechanisms would help. Figure a way to have a ceiling and a floor while keeping DP's seems like the obvious answer but who knows.
     
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