2025 CWC

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by STR1, Oct 3, 2024.

  1. JG

    JG Member+

    Jun 27, 1999
    Some of the Euros are going to lose ther minds over the weather for the next week. Heat index of 102 at kickoff for Salzburg-Al Hilal in DC on Sunday, can't wait!
     
  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Partially because of how employment laws and collective bargaining works in the U.S. vs. the rest of the world.
     
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  3. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So?
     
  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m not sure I can explain it any simpler.
     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Capology tends to be conservative when it hasn't got actual evidence.

    You have to assume the sources are consistent and that these numbers are relative.

    The only league that publishes salaries is MLS and the PA hasn't published any this season.

    Capology has last season's Arsenal payroll at €203 million. Their last published accounts states their total payroll as €381 million. It's unlikely that non playing staff makes €180 million.

    Anyway, MLS needs to get salaries + allocation money to at least $30 to be competitive with the top teams in Latin America imho. That's probably a discussion for a post CWC thread.
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we can anticipate Salzburg's excuse.
     
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  7. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    You explained perfectly. MLS can continue in its own little bubble just as it always has.
     
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  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It carved out a niche and it's staying in there until at least the next CBA. Meanwhile it has the 6th highest revenue and 8 of the 30 most valuable clubs in world soccer.

    There's no reason to change from the owner's perspective. I'm hoping the CWC will be a wake up call wrt quality on the pitch.
     
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  9. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Really hope Pachuca beats them. The Eurosnobery is strong at work trying to discredit how the Latin American clubs are performing.

    Even La Liga president says he wants to end the CWC. His reason isn't because of Eurosnobery, his reason is because La Liga isn't getting a dime from it. But if he wants to he can keep Real Madrid and Barcelona for all I care. I would rather have Sevilla, Betis and Villarreal to see how they measure up to the rest of the world (specially against the Latin American leagues).

    Throw in PSV and Ajax in there too. Curious to see them in the CWC vs the rest of the world.
     
  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just like LITERALLY every league in the world.

    What do you think England’s PSR rules are for, or Germany’s licensing/ownership rules are for?

    Anyway, I’ve explained it to you enough now, and you can’t grasp it, so carry on.
     
  11. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    You don't have to explain anything. MLS owners aren't reading our comments and suggestions so no need to get all worked up about it. They'll do what they think is best just like they always do. That's why I say they can keep on being on their own little bubble. It's nothing against you or MLS. Chill.
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In other words, the La Liga president is doing what he believes is best for the league itself and not worrying about how people outside Spain feel about it.
     
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  13. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nope. He is worried he isn't getting any money from it. You think Real Madrid would pass on a chance to miss out on $100M+ just because a president of the league isn't getting a dime? Real Madrid are favorites to win the CWC after all.
     
  14. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe something bigger is coming as one of the teams that can't spend big is up for sale. Vancouver is looking for new ownership and mentioned revenue as a problem going forward and the ability to build a stadium that is needed to compete. Now today San Jose is going up for sale. A team with an owner who needs money for a stadium in Las Vegas to move his baseball team. They currently play in one of the smallest stadiums in the league.
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    Meanwhile Miami, NYCFC & Chicago are all opening new stadiums before or right after the next new CBA that will produce big revenue for the team. Even Dallas is in the process of a stadium an upgrade of their stadium and Philadelphia of their entire training center/academy campus. If they are staying in the bubble, it doesn't make sense that owners are upgrading to generate more revenue while some are selling because they don't think they'll be able to keep up and are cashing in now.
     
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  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, I forgot. LA was able to sign Beckham because the Designated Player rule was in the CBA.......

    All of those early TAM level players were able to be signed because Targeted Allocation Money was in the CBA already.....

    All one needs to do is look at the number of former MLS regulars now plying their trade in USL. Why are they there? It's not because they are making more money in USL than they could/were in MLS..... Which is the whole point of the alphabet soup of roster mechanisms.

    I'll say it again. It's not that the owners (most of them anyways) are opposed to spending more money on the players. They cannot justify paying more for players that aren't going to raise the level of the league. All of those former MLS players now playing in USL are a prime example of this. The owners don't want to pay them more, because they don't make the league better. It's why we see so few players go the other way, and when they do they are almost always young players.

    It's a delicate balance. Raise salaries too much, and then it becomes even more difficult to move players on as well. The more players make, the smaller the market for their services overseas. Why? Because there's a small number of clubs that can afford the transfer fee AND the wages.

    There's a ripple effect that changes have throughout the entire system. Change too much, add too much money too quickly...... and it upsets the whole thing. See the CSL. Hell, look at the inflated transfer dealings in England and compare them to the rest of Europe.
     
  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because Tebas and Perez are best buddies.............. And then in the next breath Tebas is on the forefront for playing La Liga games in the US.....

    Why? MONEY
     
  17. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Sure, money is the main driver. But that doesn't mean Real Madrid will pass up on the opportunity to win $100M. That's more than winning UCL.
     
  18. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Well, we did get our first sub-20K attendance figures yesterday.

    11,974 @ Seattle for River Plate - Urawa
    3,412 @ Orlando for Ulsan - Sundowns

    I'm aware of the Orlando storm delay but that number surely includes tickets sold?

    The reality is NFL venues are much too large for most CWC games. Certainly in the group stage.
     
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  19. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Games like Ulsan - Sundowns should be scheduled as a double-header like Concacaf does for some Gold Cup matches. One ticket for two matches.
     
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  20. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Tebas has zero credibility.
     
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  21. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Used to be like that in the CWC too. For example, both second round matches.

    But surely any expansion plans to 48 teams can be put to bed now?
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Other leagues operate leagues with teams that are $billions in debt and perenially on the brink of bankruptcy. Look what's happening in France. MLS won't let that happen.

    Some people think that MLS is being way too conservative, especially given the huge valuations of the clubs and the wealth of the owners. It'll be interesting to see if the legacy of the CWC is major structural changes.
     
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  23. kickin365

    kickin365 Member+

    Mar 4, 2002
    Surprisingly large numbers of Wydad AC fans in Philly for the match with Man city.
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not surprised. They're a well supported team.
     
  25. kickin365

    kickin365 Member+

    Mar 4, 2002
    Google says there are about 130k Moroccans in the US. It looks like 10% of them are at the game!
     

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