2025 CWC

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by STR1, Oct 3, 2024.

  1. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Only 2 matches out of 9.5 in which both teams have scored so far.
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    PSG 99%
    Bayern 75%
    Celtic 75%
    Real Madrid 50%
    Sporting Lisbon/Benfica 40%
    Man City 35%
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Capology suggests there's a reason for that.

    Payroll estimates

    BRZ1 Flamengo $51.3M
    ARG1 River Plate 44.6M
    BRZ2 Palmeiras $41.8M
    MEX1 Monterrey $37.7M
    BRZ3 Corinthians $34M
    BRZ4 Cruzeiro $33.4M
    BRZ5 Mineiro $31.4M
    BRZ6 Internacional $29.7M
    ARG2 Boca Juniors $28M
    BRZ7 Sao Paolo $28.1M
    MEX2 America $27.9M
    MEX3 UANL 27.8M
    BRZ8 Botafogo $25.6M
    MLS1 Inter Miami $25.3M
    MLS2 Toronto $17M
    MLS3 Galaxy $14.6M
    ARG3 Estudiantes $14M

    I stopped listing Brazil after 8 but there are 15 Brazilian clubs listed at higher than $15M.
     
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  4. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Combination of Brazil being able to spend more because their economy isn't as bad and incredible mismanagement of Argentina sides sans River, who mostly suffer from having their impressive young talent always being bought up rapidly.
     
  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Here for any positive jinxes you might be interested in!
     
  6. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    The rest of the Americas need some TAM, GAM and U22-I to catch up to Brazil.

    What you posted for Toronto is probably what Berna and Insigne are making alone. What you also posted for LA Galaxy just between Pec, Paintsil and Puig they are making $12M combined so that leaves $2M for the rest of the roster? I wouldn't doubt it from being so in MLS but something does seem off.
     
  8. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yeah, those MLS numbers are wrong. Insigne and Bernardeschi alone make $21.7 million, Messi plus Busquets eclipses $29 million.

    Calls into question the rest of their data when MLS salaries are publicly available and they’re still that incorrect.
     
  9. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see we have our first weather delay of the tournament in Orlando
     
  10. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A weather delay.......... in Orlando....... in the Summer evenings....... I'm utterly shocked!
     
  11. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Monterrey can't get out of their half. Inter just on top of them.
     
  12. pogoss

    pogoss Member

    Wydad Casablanca
    Morocco
    Jan 15, 2017
    Japan
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Morocco
    That's why Australia should stay in OFC, the distance for them to play Saudi Arabia is too much.
    In Africa we also have long travels from north to south but at least it's not a big difference time zone wise.
     
  13. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Monterrey 1-0 Inter
     
  14. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You either are ignoring the obvious, or are just not paying attention. The alphabet soup of roster mechanisms are in place so that the owners CAN spend more outside of the salary budget outlined in the CBA. Those rules also allow them to pay for better talent, while also not having to pay the existing "lesser" talent significantly more money. Those mechanisms allow them to go around the CBA, while also, more importantly, not violating it.

    Without the alphabet soup the owners would either have to:

    1.) wait until the current CBA is expiring and negotiate new terms

    or

    2.) open up the CBA for renegotiation much sooner than they would like or necessarily need to.

    It's why the MLSPA fought to get rid of TAM and eventually have it folded into the General Allocation Money Fund.

    The Players Association isn't there to help the upper middle class and High class players. They're there to protect the middle, lower-middle, and end of the roster players. If you're an owner and you'd like to spend more money across your entire roster, what's the one thing you don't want to do? You don't want to pay more money for the existing level of talent in that middle to bottom of the roster. You'll pay more money for a better level of talent in that space of the roster though.....

    The top 15-18 players on most MLS teams can compete with most clubs around the world (the PSG's, Real Madrid's, Man City's, etc not so much). Where MLS teams start to falter is when they need to rely on players on the bottom half of the roster. The league addressed the top end, and middle end of the rosters. Now their challenge is raise the quality of the other half/third of rosters. The handful of teams that have figured out how to use and believe in their NextPro side and their Academy to develop MLS level players are all set. The other 20-25 teams struggle when faced with injuries and absences, and competition fixture congestion.
     
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  16. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who had Ramos scoring before Messi in this tournament
     
  17. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Monterrey bending but not breaking so far. The offside trap is working well this far.
     
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  18. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tie game, Lautaro. What a set play
     
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  19. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Damn it! 1-1
     
  20. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The rules don’t allow the league to go around the CBA, they’re part of it. And the current CBA gives the league the authority to modify much of what’s in the agreement, too.

    That said, you’re right. The league’s complex roster rules allow for spending huge sums on a small number of players while everyone else’s compensation is growing, but at a far lower level and in a very controlled way. Its discovery process also makes it damned hard to teams to compete for the same player and, in so doing, bid up his compensation.
     
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  21. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Monterrey has no answer for that suffocating midfield
     
  22. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    No other league in the world has to make complex rules to pay players more and/or to avoid paying them more.
     
  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because paying the CURRENT players occupying roster spots 19-30 more money is going to suddenly make them better and more talented.......
     
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  24. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Why is this problem only in MLS and no other league in the world?
     
  25. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Monterrey did better than expected against the UCL runner up. Let's see how Pachuca does tomorrow. So far the only clubs from the Americas that have lost are Seattle and LAFC but Seattle faced another club from this side of the world.
     
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