2025 CWC

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by STR1, Oct 3, 2024.

  1. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Big roll of the eyes at the idea that decades of Garber setting out the idea of what his club of owners can milk through the embrace of "The NFL Model" somehow has nothing to do with Garber having the idea of the owners embracing the NFL Model's parity measures.

    Next thing you'll be assuring us, one apple less than four, is that being the McDonald's of world football makes us a Michelin outfit in world football.
     
  2. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Salary caps are way more about cost certainty than competitive parity. I mean, look at what they let Miami get away with. If it was about being fair, the Barca boys would be more evenly dispersed.
     
  3. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Parity measures have been a part of the organization of US sports leagues since before Garber was born. To the extent that MLS follows the NFL model, it was doing so from Day 1 and would be doing so no matter who the owners hired as their public face.
     
  4. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh my goodness.. One last chance denied
     
  5. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    So many opportunities
     
  6. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    That was fun. I missed 2010s CCL vibes.
     
  7. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't MLS bust Miami for breaking the cap?

    The constant refrain from MLS haters about Garber is as exhausting as it is unintelligent. Garber is an employee. Yes he obviously has more sway with the owners than anyone else who isn't an owner. But in the end the owners make the decisions and tell Garber what to do, not the other way around. The idea that running Garber out of town will suddenly shift MLS into some "international competition is our ultimate goal" viewpoint shows no understanding of what MLS is, who runs it, and what their audience wants. Again, for the vast majority of people buying tickets and watching on TV (especially the former) nobody cares what happens in CCC or CWC play.
     
  8. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I agree with some of this but they never had visions of playing in this tournament when they negotiated the CBA. MLS vision is to gradually increase spending at a level that remains profitable until it reaches a tipping point where they compete for players who can break though here and still be considered for the national team. That was before the Apple deal, signing Messi and coming off of major loss of revenue during the pandemic. Since then a few things changed and the players don't have to actually take it or leave it as they actually make enough money to strike.
    .
    The next CBA should be much different as the players finally have a reason to hold out for more money. You should have the momentum of this tournament and the World Cup. You'll have a negotiation point of changing the season to align with the FIFA calender. They might have USL starting D1 and keeping the competition from signing away players who are young and developed by MLS teams. Finally you'll have new owners who want to spend more. There's no reason for the players to cave so quickly this time as even players at the bottom at the end of this current CBA should be making six figures and saving for a work stoppage.
     
  9. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Seattle lost but it's not one of those loses that feels like they let everyone down. The way everyone was saying months prior that Botafogo was going to drag Seattle like a mop just didn't happen. Seattle outplayed Botafogo specially in the second half. Botafogo needed goals in case they wanted to move to R16. Seattle was the team do it against. Not a bad game from Seattle. Really impressed.
     
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  10. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Yep, this! I don't get when fans say the salary cap is about parity. It isn't. It's to keep cost down. But that opens up another can of worms. You don't need so many rules and designations to keep cost down. Just set a salary cap ceiling and let teams spend as they like within that cap. Maybe keep one or two DPs for those Messi type signings.
     
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  11. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More like just add one more DP and ceiling with a floor cap. Keep transfer fees out of the equation and that would be a good start.
     
  12. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Herc giving it to Tac, a big MLS hater lol

    Herc ain't wrong here.

    1934461005582774463 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  13. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Seattle should have done more with the opportunity presented. This Botafogo side has seen significant roster turnover since December and look like it.

    Oh well, Renato Paiva (formerly coach of Toluca) must be happy. I still remember his passionate rant against the Leagues Cup format last year. :D
     
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  14. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    France
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    Seattle was missing its #1 striker and #1 centerback. The #2 and #3 centerbacks are just now coming back from injury.

    Given all that, can't complain.
     
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  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Garber was appointed by NFL owners. He keeps getting reappointed by MLS owners. He's attracted new investors and new sponsors. He's doing the will of the owners.

    Seattle could have spent $100 million on 3 world-class strikers without breaking any rules. They could have signed a top striker on a short-term loan for this tourney, they chose not to.

    If a MLS team gets to the knockout stage it'll be a bonus. Is anyone really expecting that?
     
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  16. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Not direct at what Nico Limmat said but I've seen a lot of excuses on Twitter about Botafogo being bad right now and selling players while the narrative before game was that they were going to run all over Seattle. In that Herc post you can read some. Fact is Botafogo spends way more than ANY MLS team. Even got reinforcements for this tournament. Not playing good right now can also apply to Seattle but if an MLS fan brings it up it will be seen as a lame excuse. Seattle lost but damn they impressed! Those are the type of loses I don't mind to see.

    Seattle, just like Vancouver in CCC, the problem with them isn't the salary cap. Salary cap isn't holding them back. It's the owner unwilling to spend big to compete. Rules or no rules they aren't going to spend big. There are cases where the salary cap can't even be blamed in case of an embarrassing loss like Vancouver in CCC.
     
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  17. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    I expected potential embarrassment from both Miami and Seattle, and neither got anything close to embarrassed (Miami WAS rescued by their GK, but he's a part of the team). Seattle should have won that game, but they really weren't expected to get anything out of it before kickoff. Having said that, if this was CCC against Liga MX I'd be whining about how poorly Seattle finished their chances.
     
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  18. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Tac is both an MLS hater and a self professed Orlando fan. How can you hate a league that you support? So weird.
     
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  19. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    He isn't a fan. Americans for some reason hate their domestic league with a passion. Weird behavior.

    On the opposite side of the aisle I saw several Brazilians on Twitter talk good about Seattle even though they lost. Obed Vargas was one of the main focal points. It's what MLS needs, good showings at an International stage. CCC is a good start but it is only for this area. The CWC, at least this format, puts you at the world stage. Do good and people will notice. Hope MLS owners understood that.
     
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  20. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    He has said that he hates Miami in particular because he is an Orlando City fan.
     
  21. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Seattle lost 2-1 Garber out. Liverpool is gonna take it all.
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the payrolls that are available from Capology.

    Club Payroll ($M)
    RM 316
    BM 311
    MC 301
    CFC 228
    PSG 223
    ATM 160
    INT 159
    BVB 129
    JUV 123
    BEN 63
    FLM 51
    RPL 45
    MTY 39
    POR 31
    BOC 28
    BOT 26
    FLU 26
    MIA 25
    RBS 20
    LAF 12
    SEA 11
    PAC 9

    The African and Asian teams are missing and we know about Auckland.

    And here are some real world numbers from HITC Sevens youtube channel.

    "...in the last set of fully published accounts PSG's wage bill stood at €659 million.
    The next highest in world football came courtesy of Manchester City at €480 million, followed by Real Madrid at €469 million, Liverpool at €449 million, Barcelona at €430 million, all the way down to Arsenal who have theworld's ninth highest wage bill at €381 million."
     
  23. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Interesting fact heading into Chelsea-LAFC:

    A UEFA club has never lost to a non-South American team in regulation.

    Only on three occasions was the match a draw after 90 minutes, with the following outcomes.

    2000 | Manchester United - Necaxa (Mexico) 1:1 / Group Stage
    2000 | Real Madrid - Necaxa (Mexico) 1:1 AET; 3:4 PSO / Third Place
    2016 | Real Madrid - Kashima Antlers (Japan) 4:2 AET / Final

    No pressure RB Salzburg. :D

    That was quite a Necaxa side. Then still based in Mexico City before moving to Aguascalientes.
     
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  24. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    You can support your local team but also dislike the structure of MLS. That feels very straightforward to me.
     
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  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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