2025 CWC

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  1. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    This is some serious BS if true. No prior criteria was given as to who would be that team representing MLS would be....until Miami won the SS. If SS has more weight than the MLS Cup then MLS should treat as such.

     
  2. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    France
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    Was there ever any doubt it was going to be Miami? The SS is simply justification for what was decided a long time ago.
     
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  3. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    They’ll probably win the league so I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape yet.
     
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  4. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Yes there were doubts. Miami not winning SS and/or MLS Cup was going to be pretty difficult to justify why Miami was in.

    Also, it's not like Messi has never played in a CWC or has never won it before. He has.
     
  5. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    They needed a real home team. Miami will play in Miami and actually have support. I guess maybe Seattle will have some support in Seattle too, but nothing like the Messi fest at hard Rock.
     
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  6. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    France
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    :rolleyes:
     
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  7. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    #7 xtomx, Oct 4, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2024
    But they did win the Supporter's Shield.

    If they hadn't won the SS, and they gave a spot to Miami for winning the 2023 Leagues Cup and appearing in (and losing) the 2023 US Open Final, that would have been some serious BS.

    I would have understood it (have to cash Messimania (yawn) and I still would not give a single crap about the Club World Cup.
     
  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem isn't that the SS winner got a spot. That is justifiable. The problem is that this seems to be a decision (should FIFA actually take it) that was made after determining who the SS winner was and seeing that it gave them a route to get Miami into the competition. They should have announced that the 2024 SS winner would be the representative when they announced the competition or at some point before now.
     
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  9. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Of course.

    It just shows, once again, that MLS is still "fiddling" with the rules 28 years later.
     
  10. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has nothing to do with MLS rules. It's FIFA not setting clear criteria.
     
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  11. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seems like all reaction is based on that "Give Me Sports" article, a site I had never heard of before. The article cited no sources, not even anonymous ones. There are a lot of passive voice "it is seen by some" and "confirmation is likely" statements.

    I won't be surprised if Miami is selected, but we need more confirmation than this and better media literacy.
     
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  12. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    FIFA wants Messi there obviously. And the competition might need him to be honest.

    As the Macho Man said, you might not like it but accept it.
     
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  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thus my "(should FIFA actually take it) "
     
  14. MLSfan66

    MLSfan66 Member

    NYCFC
    United States
    Feb 3, 2023
    Whatever decision FIFA makes, it should have been done months ago. They were waiting for Miami to win something before they announce. A playoff match between Miami vs MLS Cup Champion should be the way to go.
     
  15. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Why does FIFA "need" Messi in the CWC? It's not like he hasn't participated in it before or hasn't won it. The focal point of the CWC in the US will be the European clubs not Messi and Inter Miami which have no chance at winning or even advancing that far.
     
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  16. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Because he’s still Messi and the whole point of the expanded CWC is trying to make it like an actual World Cup. You can’t do that with just the Euro clubs.
     
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  17. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What the problem with that? It's still just one click above minor league sports in America. The NBA added a tournament, the NFL is playing intentional games, the NHL plays games outside in stadiums, MLB seems to be embracing world baseball classic.... Leagues are constantly fiddling. The Club World Cup has just expanded, you might say the definition of fiddle.
     
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  18. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #18 Nico Limmat, Oct 5, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2024
    Why wouldn’t they? The World Baseball Classic is a MLB property. Its predecessor, the Baseball World Cup, however was shunned.

    It’s probably only a question of time until the NHL and NBA try to take control of their respective (nation) world championships. The NHL is already working on a return of their “World Cup of Hockey” but Russia being sidelined probably isn’t helping.

    As for the subject at hand, it really should be the MLS Cup winner. Or better yet, the USOC winner. :D
     
  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If that's the case then all Football Federation Cup winners should get a spot....... in the spirit of sporting merit.....
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just every team. FIFA should invite every team to the CWC. They could have divisions and play from August to May with 20 teams in each division and promotion and relegation.
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In a World Cup or Fed Cup individual teams might have 4 or 5 players involved in the latter stages going into July. The rest of the team would play a normal pre-season with the players involved in tournaments given a few weeks off and light training before starting the new season in August.

    The CWC will involve entire squads. The players are going to need at least three weeks rest before the start of the new season. That means limited rest, light training and very few build up games.

    And some of the big teams are going to get knocked out in the early stages. That means they may have a 7 week gap to the next season with no pre-season arranged. Has anyone really thought this through?
     
  22. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #22 Nico Limmat, Oct 5, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2024
    Who would come out on top in a four-year aggregate SS table? All other spots have a four-year frame of reference.
     
  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS won't like the answer......
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I started making a combined table but ran out of patience. I wonder how the Revs 2021 season holds up.
     
  25. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    France
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    I'm surprised how high Orlando is and how low Atlanta is. I think MLS would be happy enough with the result.

    From 2021 through this morning:

    1. LAFC = 219
    2. Philadelphia = 213
    3. Orlando = 211
    4. Columbus & Seattle = 207

    6. New England = 201
    7. RSL = 198
    8. LA Galaxy = 195
    9. NYC & Cincinnati = 194

    11. Montreal = 192
    12. NYRB & Miami = 191

    14. Portland = 189
    15. Vancouver = 187
    16. Nashville = 186
    17. Minnesota = 184
    18. Colorado = 181
    19. Atlanta = 176
    20. Kansas City = 173
    21. Dallas = 169
    22. Houston = 168
    23. Austin = 165
    24. DC United = 151
    25. Chicago = 143
    26. San Jose = 141
    27. Charlotte = 130 (only 3 years)
    28. Toronto = 121
    29. St Louis = 90 (only 2 years)
     
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